RingWraiths vs. Dementors

[Lonestar]

The Nine have entered the Potterverse, searching for the One Ring. They've managed to located it in Azkaban Prision. Who wins?

Dementor
Guards at Azkaban
Emotional leeches
Cause traumatic thoughts in their prey
Tall, dark and ugly


Ringwraiths:
Former men, now servants of Sauron
Invisible (unless you have the ring)
Corporeal
able to sense the Ring


I'm running with the Ringwraiths, like a guy on sdmb said; "Anything LOTR beats anything HP!".

Plus, the RingWraiths might borrow a page from Eowyn and just stab the Dementors "In the Fvcking face"

[Cyclotron]

I'm not very familiar with Dementors, but it strikes me that Ringwraiths would not be the most succeptible things to "traumatic thoughts." If they are total slaves to Sauron's will, it doesn't seem like any amount of emotional jibber-jabber would faze them.

Besides, there's always the stab-in-the-face factor, and the fact that they are immensely hard to kill.

[St Leo]

Tom Bombadil is really the Witch King.

[Kirnwaffen]

Dementors are a bunch of wusses.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm not very familiar with Dementors, but it strikes me that Ringwraiths would not be the most succeptible things to "traumatic thoughts." If they are total slaves to Sauron's will, it doesn't seem like any amount of emotional jibber-jabber would faze them.

Well it isn't exactly traumatic thoughts. They basically inspire hopelessness and dread in their enemies... kind of like the Ringwraiths do.

We aren't exactly sure what the Dementors are. They look kind of like dead men who have magically become holes of dark thoughts.

That and the fact there are more than 9 Dementors (much more) makes me think the Dementors win .

[Drake Tungsten]

How are the Dementors going to kill the Ringwraiths? I doubt they have any blades of Westernesse on hand, so it's going to be impossible. And don't tell me you think the Dementors can instill hopelessness in the hearts of wraiths that have no hearts to begin with...

[Mr. President]

My theory is that the Ringwraiths can't feel hopelessness. I think Sauron's corruption of them means that they can only feel hate, greed, and violence as long as his power sustains them.

[Imran Siddiqui]

How are the Dementors going to kill the Ringwraiths? I doubt they have any blades of Westernesse on hand, so it's going to be impossible.

Have you ever heard of a Dementor actually dying? For all we know they might be invincible (at least to semi-conventional weapons... maybe there is some spell out there) .

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Well it isn't exactly traumatic thoughts. They basically inspire hopelessness and dread in their enemies... kind of like the Ringwraiths do.

We aren't exactly sure what the Dementors are. They look kind of like dead men who have magically become holes of dark thoughts.

That and the fact there are more than 9 Dementors (much more) makes me think the Dementors win .

Ah, But Dementors have never been seen using weapons, and are scared of silvery animals. Whereas Nazghul can ride on down on Fell-beasts and stab them in the face with Morghul Blades.

In addition, I highly doubt there are that many happy thoughts the Ringwraiths have left, so the Dementor's own power would be, well, useless. And there is the distinct lack of Soul.

PLus I bet the Old Witch-King could whip up some spells that would make Dumbledummy and He-who-is-a-idjit wet their pants.

(ROTK and PoA trailor is a deadly combo)

[DinoDoc]

Why wouldn't the Dementors be working for Sauron with him being the supreme evil and all?

[Lonestar]

They are still carrying out their duties as Guards, and are too shocked to see Lookalikes-but-more-badass on Fell Beasts with Swords they can use to to stab people with. And scream and scare them.

/me envisions Nazghul dive-bombing Dementors, and scooping them up.

[Imran Siddiqui]

are scared of silvery animals.

Is a Patronus actually an animal?

Whereas Nazghul can ride on down on Fell-beasts and stab them in the face with Morghul Blades.

Would that kill them? How do we know?

PLus I bet the Old Witch-King could whip up some spells that would make Dumbledummy and He-who-is-a-idjit wet their pants.

If Dumbledore was in LOTR, the Ring would have been destroyed in 100 pages .

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Is a Patronus actually an animal?

It's at least a facsimile of one!

Would that kill them? How do we know?

Weapons forged in the City of the Dead? I suppose it has a better chance than a Ginsu.

If Dumbledore was in LOTR, the Ring would have been destroyed in 100 pages .

Yeah? Let's compare the Premier Wizards of Middle-Earth and the Potterverse.

(courtesy of grudge-match.com)

First Book
Dumbledore managed to set a little kid in front of somebody's door without dropping him.
Gandalf discovered the origin of the most evil and powerful object in the history of anything, started a quest to destroyed it, and killed a demon of heinous and untold power.

Second Book
Dumbledore went away on business just when he could actually be useful.
Gandalf came back from the dead, mustered an army of walking trees, made the head of the Order of Wizards look like a little sissyboy, and generally kicked ass.

Third Book
Dumbledore aided the escape of a convicted criminal.

Gandalf fended off the Dark Lord's most powerful lieutenant at the doors of the greatest city on (Middle-)Earth. He saved the life of the heir to the Stewardship of the biggest damned kingdom ever, assembled a vast army which marched on the Dark Lord himself, and managed to hold off the largest army in the history of anything by standing on a hill virtually by himself long enough for the Dark Lord to cork off.

Fourth Book
Dumbledore had a lieutenant and servant of evil right in front of him for a year. It took him that long to notice, even though the dude was in the guise of his best friend.
We don't know what Gandalf was up to. But even sipping pina coladas at the country club would be more impressive than THAT.


Hmmm.... I'd say the actions speak for themselves.

[Cyclotron]

Zing!

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's at least a facsimile of one!

Doesn't mean it has anything do with animals. Dementors can't see. They react to the pure goodness of the Patronus.

Weapons forged in the City of the Dead? I suppose it has a better chance than a Ginsu.

But may have no effect.

Let's compare the Premier Wizards of Middle-Earth and the Potterverse.

Yes, let's. Before TSS, Dumbledore was well acknowledged as the most powerful wizard, at the very least, in England. In TSS, he created an amazingy brilliant trap to keep TSS hidden (and it would have continued to be if Harry hadn't come upon it). In CoS, he once again allows Harry to be tested... you wonder why he knows everything at the end of the books... not like he wasn't paying attention. In PoA, he helped an innocent man escape. In GoF, anyone can be confused by the Polyjuice Potion, especially by one as smart as Barty Crouch. In OotP, Dumbledore was in charge of the Order of the Phoenix and battled Voldemort in a momentus battle and would have killed him nicely had he not been linked to Harry.

You have obviously never read OotP, or else you'd know why Dumbledore (nor no one else) can kill Voldemort aside from Harry. Therefore, it'd be pointless for him to do anything.

Once again, he knows all the happens. I don't remember Gandalf being omnipressent. In fact, Gandalf died while facing the Balrog. Dumbledore would have destroyed him, or that the least, disapparated and apparated on the bridge as the Balrog fell to the bottom.