Has the time come for a revived CSA?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Well, tomorrow or any coming morning, all those carpetbaggers can just point themselves to where the sun's off their right shoulder, and head that way and keep on goin'.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Then y'all yankee liberals wouldn't mind devolving all those programs to the state level where they belong and limiting the Federal government to it's proper constitutional role, now would y'all?

"We are a band of brothers, native to the soil..."

Actually, MtG, I have no frickin' idea how you or anyone like you who believes in States Rights could possibly support the Democrat Party.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ned
I have no frickin' idea how you or anyone like you who believes in States Rights could possibly support the Democrat Party.

His family would kill him if they caught him voting for Republicans. There's a reason why people why Zell Miller still exist.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
"We are a band of brothers, native to the soil..."

Indeed

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by GePap
And on balance of Federal Taxes for fiscal 2001:

http://www.ppinys.org/nybalpayments.htm

States that got less than they paid and how much less:
California: 58 billion
New York: 39.5 billion
Illinois: 25 Billion
New Jersey: 23 billion
Texas: 13 billion (only state to vote Bush)
Michigan: 11.7 billion
Massachussets: 11.5 billion
Connecticutt: 11 billion
Washington: 9.4 billion
Wisconsin: 5.6 billion

States that got more then they paid, and how much more:
Virginia: 21.9 billion
Alabama: 10.7 billion
Maryland: 9 billion
Mississippi: 8.9 billion
New Mexico: 8.6 billion
Oklahoma: 7 billion
Kentucky: 6.7 billion
Tennessee: 5.7 billion
South Carolina: 5.2 billion
West Virginia: 5.2 billion

Do we see a pattern? So what I said happens to be 100% correct.

Oh darn! You beat me to it! You know what's really funny? When I was a hot headed teenaged liberal in 1968 and then interested in accumulating such facts in order to argue with my pro-Wallace classmates the list of which states gave more than they received and which ones got more than they gave was just about the same! I think the list includes total federal expenditures in the state, not just entitlements. Virginia has the Pentagon, Quantico, and the Norfolk Navy Yards largely to thank for its whopping lead as recipient of Federalis' largess.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think the list includes total federal expenditures in the state, not just entitlements. Virginia has the Pentagon, Quantico, and the Norfolk Navy Yards largely to thank for its whopping lead as recipient of Federalis' largess.

That's probably why Maryland is high on that list too.

[Cyclotron]

58 billion? No wonder we're in such damn debt.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I think the list includes total federal expenditures in the state, not just entitlements. Virginia has the Pentagon, Quantico, and the Norfolk Navy Yards largely to thank for its whopping lead as recipient of Federalis' largess.

That's probably why Maryland is high on that list too.

Don't forget we're the also sight of the triple-plus good, ultra-secret umti-billion dollar secret CIA headquarters located right off of Interstate 95 in Arlington. Would you like a map?

Ssshhhhhh. Don't tell anyone I told you. It'll be our little secret.

[Ramo]

RAMO, you are not being intellectually honest here. Powell was closer in actuality because he was way ahead in the polls when he pulled out.

On the contrary, you're being intellectually dishonest. The facts are that Powell could win either a Democratic or Republican nomination under the right circumstances - and I'd bet he'd make a better showing among Democrats. The facts are that Powell never ran for the Republican nomination, he just toyed with the idea for a while. The facts are that after the entire nomination process, not just in a couple polls before the campaigns even got under, Jackson finished 2nd to Dukakis. Your claim that blacks have been closer to the Republican nomination than the Democratic nomination is pure horse manure.

[Ned]

Ramo, I seriously doubt that Powell could have captured the Democrat nomination after annoucing that he was a Republican. Look at the problems that Clark is having.

I never said he announced that he was running for the nomination. I said exactly what you said about the sequence of events. But the critical issue is this:

Powell is black. At the time he withdrew his name from consideration, he was well ahead in the polls for the Republican nomination. This is closer than any black Democrat has gotten to his party's nomination.

Further, the Democrats have never appointed any black to any key cabinent posts such as State, Defense or Attorney General. Republicans have.

[Ramo]

Ramo, I seriously doubt that Powell could have captured the Democrat nomination after annoucing that he was a Republican. Look at the problems that Clark is having.

That's because there's actually a small-d democrat in the democratic primary. Powell could've schooled Gore in the 2000 primary if he wanted to. Look at how much Democrats love him.

Powell is black. At the time he withdrew his name from consideration, he was well ahead in the polls for the Republican nomination. This is closer than any black Democrat has gotten to his party's nomination.

The key difference is that the campaigns didn't start at the time, and there were no strong candidates in the '96 primary. BTW, I'd like to see one of these polls. Do you have a link?

And Kerry was the front-runner pre-campaign, now he's totally ****ed. The same with Lieberman to a lesser extent. Initial polls don't tell you who's going to win the primary.

Further, the Democrats have never appointed any black to any key cabinent posts such as State, Defense or Attorney General. Republicans have.

And who exactly were the black Attorney General and the black Secretary of Defense?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Oh darn! You beat me to it! You know what's really funny? When I was a hot headed teenaged liberal in 1968 and then interested in accumulating such facts in order to argue with my pro-Wallace classmates the list of which states gave more than they received and which ones got more than they gave was just about the same! I think the list includes total federal expenditures in the state, not just entitlements. Virginia has the Pentagon, Quantico, and the Norfolk Navy Yards largely to thank for its whopping lead as recipient of Federalis' largess.

Then one asks themsleves about the rest iof the states beyond Virginia and maryland. Sorry, but the inequality in spending does not match- how many major military installations are in California?
The resulst are simple, and once you look at both sets of numbers it is clear-the northern states are richer-they pay out more in Federal taxes period and this money goes to where the need is, and interestingly, the poor states is where the need is. My problem is tno that this system exists, but that ungratefull southeners, who recieve very large benefits from the redistribution of national wealth act as if they were loosing out in the system. If the south wants to proetcts its "values", fine, do it. Just don;'t expect the money you get from the richer states.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap
ungratefull southeners

Who do you think you are? Kiss my a$$. Do you expect some kind of homeage?

Keep your freaking money.

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO


Who do you think you are? Kiss my a$$. Do you expect some kind of homeage?

Keep your freaking money.

We would if we could, but then all those senators you guys put in office would trhow a hissy fit. Next time elect people who aren't so pork driven.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap


We would if we could, but then all those senators you guys put in office would trhow a hissy fit. Next time elect people who aren't so pork driven.

We're trying...We're trying.

I don't mind your point, but that "ungrateul Southeners" is rather condecending. Why should we be grateful? Just look back through this thread for what the northern opinion of the South is. For the most part it is ill-informed and totally incorrect...using decades old stereotypes to draw conclusions for today.

Your point on redistribution of wealth is well taken. The so called "rich northern states" have more population and therefore control more congressional votes. Maybe you guys shouldelect someone different.