Women think they are entitled to more restrooms than men!

[Drake Tungsten]

Japanese porn?

Oh, have I got a story for you...

[David Floyd]

Imran,

Well you are a fan of natural rights... I see no other right as 'natural' as being able to relieve yourself

Another silly strawman. Take another right, say, the right to travel. Are you saying that entitles me to my own car, for free?

UR,

Besides, forcing employees to pay for their own basic freedoms is highly immoral

Another strawman, unless you think you have a right to come into my house and use my restroom. To use another example, another "bodily function" is the need to eat. That doesn't mean food is free.

shawnmmcc,

Can anyone say "peonage"? The reason we don't charge employees for things like this, in the USA, is how robber capitalism (used to denote a very specific flavor, by the way) used it to try to steal the value of their labor from them.

As you'll note, I already essentially said this, without all of the emotionally charged language. I don't actually think employers should charge for restroom use, as it would be bad for morale (although they reserve the right to do so). They should only do so if a certain group of employees gets a federal regulation requiring more restrooms for that same group.

It's why employees have certain rights, based on historically bad behavior by corporations.

Actually, you mean "entitlements", not "right".

Remember, a corporation itself is a special entity created by the government, in a truly libetarian society they wouldn't exist

We both know something similar would exist - you really have no point here.

[Cruddy]

Doesn't this mean it will take longer to have a dump if you're a man? Why haven't they looked at this side of the argument?

[David Floyd]

[Imran Siddiqui]

Take another right, say, the right to travel. Are you saying that entitles me to my own car, for free?

No, but it entitles you to walk to any public area you want . There are certain rights the government should not deny you from exercising. For whatever reason you cannot pee on public streets (), so employers should offer restrooms for those working for them. They should be forced if need be. Just as those employers should be forced to stop people running into the building brandishing a knife threatening to kill an employee (the 'natural' right to life there ).

[David Floyd]

No, but it entitles you to walk to any public area you want

First of all, that's not true. Even National Parks have restricted access areas. Secondly, that's beside the point, as we are not talking about government buildings here, but private businesses.

so employers should offer restrooms for those working for them.

No argument here, my reasoning is just different. You think they are obligated to, I just think it's a good idea.

They should be forced if need be.

That's where we disagree. Do you also think I should be forced to provide restroom facilities for some guy who comes to install cable in my house?

Just as those employers should be forced to stop people running into the building brandishing a knife threatening to kill an employee

Actually, no one is under any obligation to put themselves at risk for someone else. If a guy brandishing a knife walks into a building, I would expect the police to be called, and people to generally stay out of his way.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Do you also think I should be forced to provide restroom facilities for some guy who comes to install cable in my house?

A third party contractor is different than an employee. Now if he installed cable for you for 20 hrs/week then yes .

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actually, no one is under any obligation to put themselves at risk for someone else.

You mean that's your opinion, right? Because according to the law, you do have a duty to your employee to intervene if there is any (potential) harm.

[David Floyd]

I didn't ask about different in a legal sense, Imran. Of course the law states one thing about third party contractors, and another about permanent employees. My question, though is that if permanent employees are entitled to free bathrooms, why should third party contractors be different?

In any case, I'm going to work, where free bathrooms are provided - one each for men and women. I'll tell ya, though, employee morale would be a lot higher if we cleaned 'em more often

[Solly]

No-one ever seen a snaking queue for the women's toilets at a busy nightclub or something...? You never see it for the gents...

1) If women didn't see the toilets as an opportunity to spend 20 minutes gassing this problem would be reduced.

2) Guys expand our toilets by pissing in the sinks

[David Floyd]

You mean that's your opinion, right? Because according to the law, you do have a duty to your employee to intervene if there is any (potential) harm.

I seriously doubt the law states an employer has an obligation to, for example, throw himself in front of a bullet. If the law does say that, then the law is immoral, as even you should see.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I seriously doubt the law states an employer has an obligation to, for example, throw himself in front of a bullet. If the law does say that, then the law is immoral, as even you should see.

The law obligates the employer to take reasonable steps an intervene when the employee comes to harm. Such as, when seeing a person running in the store with a knife, to lock the door or something. He can't just stand around and say 'I have no duty to do anything'.

If he doesn't take reasonable steps, the employee has a slam dunk lawsuit against his employer.

[Dis]

David there is a difference between pissing and eating.

Sure an employer doesn't have to provide food for free, but if an employer doesn't provide restrooms for free, we can just piss in the middle of the work area . I'm sure the boss would love to see a steaming pile of crap by the water cooler.

[:) Smiley]

Not to mention that the boss also needs a place to go.

[David Floyd]

Imran,

He can't just stand around and say 'I have no duty to do anything'.

This should depend on the terms of the contract.

Dissident,

Sure an employer doesn't have to provide food for free, but if an employer doesn't provide restrooms for free, we can just piss in the middle of the work area

No, for the same reason you can't piss in the middle of my house - destruction of private property.