BREAKING NEWS: Bush visits Iraq!

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
In most of cases, he is quoting mainstream media sources to back up his accusations. My reading of it was too long ago for me to remember all details of his book, and I don't have it readily available here. However, his accusations against Bush and most of his cabinet are well known from other sources.

I agree, his accusations are well known from other sources, but you of all people should know that "being accused of a crime" is not anywhere near the same thing as "committing a crime."

Personally, I find it distasteful that he repeatedly confuses rumors and accusations with truth. You shouldn't fall into that trap.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by cyclotron7


I agree, his accusations are well known from other sources, but you of all people should know that "being accused of a crime" is not anywhere near the same thing as "committing a crime."

I don't exactly know what you are referring to? Why should I know that more than anybody else? Was it my previous posts (months ago) saying that someone is innocent until proven guilty? Because I don't think I have ever told the story on Apolyton about when I was arrested for "possession of a knife in public", then wrote a letter of complaint to the prosecutor who dismissed the case and dropped the charges?

Anyway, some of the cases Moore is referring to in his book was actually proven guilty in court. If I don't remember totally wrong, your President is a Felon who would not even be allowed to vote if he lived in the state where his brother is governor.

Personally, I find it distasteful that he repeatedly confuses rumors and accusations with truth. You shouldn't fall into that trap.

I'm smart enough to apply critics in my reading. If something is too far off and not backed up by credible sources, I simply won't belive it. I consider Moore's work as comedy based on reality, rather than serious digging journalism. Very often he tells the truth, but sometimes he goes somewhat out of bounds.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Bush going was excellent.

Hillary and fellow Senator Jack Reed should be ridiculed for going on his coat-tails.

So whenever Republicans show respect for troops, you never question their political, ulterior motives?

And whenever Democrats show respect for troops, they are just copy-catting?
That's a nice double-standard that you have there, Slowwy.

People of both parties have political, ulterior motives for visiting troops overseas.

Bush's surprise visit that everyone is swooning over is one of his manueverings as part of his political bid for reelection.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
Bush's surprise visit that everyone is swooning over is one of his manueverings as part of his political bid for reelection.

So what. You have to admit that it was very well planned. It fooled even the media.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
It's funny anyway - it fits perfectly into the European image of G.W. Bush as an imbecill moron who is not qualified to be the most powerful man in the world.

So it only matters if it fits a stereo type? I would have thought the question of whither or not the stereo type is true would have been brought up.

[Chemical Ollie]

So you actually think he's a brilliant guy?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So what. You have to admit that it was very well planned. It fooled even the media.

Yeah ok -- he did it, and it was a surprise, and now it's over . . . .

so . . . .

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by MrFun


So whenever Republicans show respect for troops, you never question their political, ulterior motives?

And whenever Democrats show respect for troops, they are just copy-catting?

Who cares about ulterior motives on either side?

Of course there are ulterior motives.

That's not the point, whether you like him our not, you would be suprised and happy if the president flew around the world to visit you.

Hillary also.....but she isn't the president, congressmen and senators have always gone to warzones.

It was good for the troops, that's what matters.

ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Bush's surprise visit that everyone is swooning over is one of his manueverings as part of his political bid for reelection.

So utterly cynical. If it was Clinton, I bet this would be a 'selfless move', eh?

While it was good PR, I don't doubt for a second that the major reason for this trip was because Bush decided that it would be a good idea to suprise the troops in Baghdad at Thanksgiving.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
so i'm a lefty now because i don't like hannity? for cryin' out loud, the man has half of his show devoted to people calling in solely to praise him and tell him what a good job he's doing. do we really need that in a talk show? no. give me boortz any day, who's far less of a republican cheerleader.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Bush's surprise visit that everyone is swooning over is one of his manueverings as part of his political bid for reelection.

So utterly cynical. If it was Clinton, I bet this would be a 'selfless move', eh?

While it was good PR, I don't doubt for a second that the major reason for this trip was because Bush decided that it would be a good idea to suprise the troops in Baghdad at Thanksgiving.

So naivity is back in fashion, huh??

When I saw that Hilary visited -- I also believed that she had ulterior motives -- so I would not have swooned or gotten all giddy over a Bill Clinton surprise visit.

[Winston]

As an aside, I read an amusing story in the paper about the secrecy surrounding Bush' visit to the troops in Baghdad.

While the President was en route to Iraq, unannounced even to the flight authorities, a British Airways passenger jet came so close to his plane that the British pilot felt compelled to ask over the radio "Was that Air Force One I just flew past??" A long silence from the President's plane was eventually broken by the short reply "Gulfstream Five." An even longer silence ensued from the British jet, ending with the pilot finally replying simply "Oh."

Apparently the British pilot must have realised that he'd stumbled on what was supposed to be kept a secret, and wisely decided to keep it to himself until after the story broke.

[Sava]

What a disgusting photo op... this was worse than the aircraft carrier flight suit stunt... I'm sure the troops were just sitting down to Thanksgiving dinner... AT 5 IN THE MORNING BAGHDAD TIME when Bush arrived...



"there's nothing proper about your propaganda..."

EDIT: link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...03Nov27_2.html

A little after 5 a.m. Baghdad time, about 10 hours after takeoff from Andrews, the cabin lights were turned off and all the shades were down. Twenty minutes later, we touched down in Baghdad.

[Winston]

He landed 5:30 PM local time...

[Sava]

that's AM buddy...