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    Wanted: Fanatical Moderates
    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

    Published: November 16, 2003

    You know when I really get mad? It's when my wife tells me I'm not helping around the house — and I have not been helping around the house. There is nothing more enraging than someone exposing your faults — and being right.

    What is true at home is true in diplomacy. I was reminded of that watching the enraged, hysterical reaction of Israel's ruling Likud Party to the virtual peace treaty — known as the Geneva Accord — that was hammered out by Yossi Beilin, the former Israeli justice minister, and Yasir Abed Rabbo, the former Palestinian information minister. Mr. Beilin and Mr. Abed Rabbo, with funding from the Swiss government, decided to see if they could draw up a detailed peace treaty, with maps, at a time when their governments were paralyzed. After three years, they did it. They shook hands on it Oct. 12 and today they are mailing copies in Hebrew and Arabic to every home in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

    Ariel Sharon and his far-right coalition threw a fit, crying treason and sputtering about the gall, the "chutzpah," of Mr. Beilin drawing up a virtual peace treaty with Yasir Arafat's deputy. The Likud's over-the-top criticism of Mr. Beilin — and of the Israeli Army chief of staff when he pointed out the Sharon government's reluctance to strengthen Palestinian moderates — had all the earmarks of a ruling party that knows it has not washed the dishes, not made any creative initiatives for peace since coming to power, and hates being exposed.

    The Geneva Accord fleshes out the peace initiative first outlined by President Clinton. You don't have to accept every word to see its basic wisdom and fairness: In return for peace with Israel, the Palestinians get a nonmilitarized state in the West Bank and Gaza. They also get the Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem and sovereignty over the Temple Mount, but under a permanent international security force, with full Jewish access. The Israelis get to keep settlements housing about 300,000 of the 400,000 Jews in the West Bank (in return for an equivalent amount of land from Israel), including virtually all the new Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem built in the Arab side of the city. About 30,000 Palestinian refugees get to return to their homes in Israel proper, and all refugees receive compensation. Polls show 35 to 40 percent of Israelis and Palestinians already support the deal, without either government having endorsed it.

    "Our agreement is virtual, because we are not the government and do not pretend to be," said Mr. Beilin, whose deal was co-signed by a former Israeli Army chief of staff, a former deputy Mossad chief and leaders from Mr. Arafat's Tanzim militia. "But we need to create a virtual world that will impact the real world by demonstrating that a workable deal is possible. It is inconceivable that for the past three years there have been no official meetings between Israelis and Palestinians about a permanent solution."

    By 2010 or so, there will be more Palestinians than Jews living in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza put together. "We will fairly soon be losing the Jewish majority," added Mr. Beilin. "This may not interest President Bush, but it interests me and should interest Sharon. If we don't do something to create a border with the Palestinians, we're going to put an end to the Zionist dream."

    What I have always admired about Mr. Beilin is that he is a fanatical moderate — as committed to his moderation as the extremists are to their extremism. In a Middle East where extremists tend to go all the way and moderates tend just to go away, the example that he and his Palestinian partners are setting is critical. It shows that civil society in Israel and the West Bank is still alive and refuses to give in to pessimism. But they need, and deserve, courage and help from America now too.

    We owe them that. We owe ourselves that. Because the same struggle is afoot in Saudi Arabia and Iraq, where extremists have been intimidating moderates, by going all the way — by blowing up the Red Cross, the U.N. and fellow Muslims. We can train all the police we want in Iraq or around the Arab world, but unless we can strengthen moderates there — those ready to act on the hopes of the intimidated majorities — a decent future will be impossible.

    So moderates of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our pessimism. Either we make the future bury the past, or the bad guys will ensure that the past buries the future.


    Get these guys in power and lets get this deal done .
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    Polls show 35 to 40 percent of Israelis and Palestinians already support the deal, without either government having endorsed it.
    Gah! Make the deal you idiots!
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    • #3
      Unfortunetly Sharon is accusing Beilin of treason and Arafat probably won't listen to Abed Rabbo, in both cases because the 'virtual' peacemakers weren't properly authorized.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        I hope it works...
        Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

        - Paul Valery

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          Arafat probably won't listen to Abed Rabbo,
          The sky is also blue.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #6
            At least ignoring a former minister is better than calling one treasonous for participating in a 'virtual' peace negotiation. I wonder if Sharon is going to crack down on schools who hold mock peace arbitrations .
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              I am so tired of people saying that there would be peace if only Israel were more "moderate", if only Israel compromised more. The truth is that many of these guys were in power, and they offered almost this exact same plan, and Arafat rejected it!

              The problem is not with Israel, the problem is with the Palestinians!
              'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
              G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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              • #8
                The truth is that many of these guys were in power, and they offered almost this exact same plan, and Arafat rejected it!


                Then why is Sharon blabbering on about how much of a traitor Beilin is?

                The fact of the matter is that it does give more concessions than that Clinton plan. First, it gives Palestine control over Arab East Jerusalem settlements (the Clinton plan did not). It exchanges settlement land (given to Israel) for Israeli land given to Palestine. And MOST important is allows about 30,000 Palestines right of return (compensation for the rest).
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  Yes it's clearly the palestinians building a wall around Israel and keeping an army dedicated to harassing its population. And all those horrible Palestinian settlers wrecking the peace process, nasty stuff.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                    Unfortunetly Sharon is accusing Beilin of treason and Arafat probably won't listen to Abed Rabbo, in both cases because the 'virtual' peacemakers weren't properly authorized.
                    Actually, in both cases because it undermines the true agendas of the two *******s who deserve each other, Arafat and Sharon.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
                      Yes it's clearly the palestinians building a wall around Israel and keeping an army dedicated to harassing its population. And all those horrible Palestinian settlers wrecking the peace process, nasty stuff.
                      Hey, have suicide bombers regularly blowing themselves up on buses and in restaurants and markets where you live, and let's see what you'd do about it then.
                      When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                      • #12
                        Cause and effect reversal, meet Michael the Great. Oh, you two seem to be well acquainted already, I'm sorry.

                        The fact is, the continual and planned humiliation and harassment of the entire palestinian nation by the IDF was going on decades before the first suicide bombings happened. Now they just provide a somewhat convenient excuse for said activity.
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                        • #13
                          By 2010 or so, there will be more Palestinians than Jews living in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza put together.
                          This is why the right of return will be the dealbreaker.
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                          • #14
                            Moderates. The voices of reason.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #15
                              it undermines the true agendas of the two *******s who deserve each other, Arafat and Sharon.


                              I wonder what level of Hell they are consigned to .

                              This is why the right of return will be the dealbreaker.


                              and also why Israel needs to make a good deal ASAP.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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