Capitalism, a false ideology?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Theories that fail repeated trials usually get discarded.

We could say the same about global capitalism, after all, it fails to provide a decent standard of living to the majority of the world's population and concentrates resources in the hands of the view. No matter what you define communism as, this evidence stated above would hardly hold up capitalism as a glittering success

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
this evidence stated above would hardly hold up capitalism as a glittering success

Still existing while communism sits atop the "ash heap of history" doesn't cut it for you? Anyway would you like to compare it to East Germany where the Communist government let the economy languish to such an extent that even making a telephone call was an adventure? Or maybe the economic miracle known as Russia? I won't even bother mentioning North Korea.

[Japher]

Communism was created by people thinking scientifically, and sensibly.

So the rich westerners came up with capitalist economics in responce.

This is what my snide comment was in lieu to. A blatant troll worthy of spam. I will not take such things seriously.

[Arrian]

To an outsider it demonstrates what a deep impact the likes of Reagan and McCarthy have left on your national psyche.

Oh bull****. Now you're really fishing. Care to cast that net a little wider?

Again, I'd say the reaction has more to do with past experience on 'poly than the "national psyche." To the extent there is such a thing.

-Arrian

[Provost Harrison]

I am not talking about communism here, you are evading the question. How in the same respect is capitalism any more of a success?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
How in the same respect is capitalism any more of a success?

Still existing while communism sits atop the "ash heap of history" doesn't cut it for you?

[Provost Harrison]

You do as you please Japher, you were the one that started the nature of this discussion. Just remember, we've all given serious thought to these questions, you're not the only one. To try and dismiss what other people have thought with a mere wave of the hand is not sufficient. If you decide to use this time for a withdrawal, I will consider my point as registered.

Originally posted by Arrian


Oh bull****. Now you're really fishing. Care to cast that net a little wider?

Again, I'd say the reaction has more to do with past experience on 'poly than the "national psyche." To the extent there is such a thing.

-Arrian

I'm not fishing, I am homing in on a particular point that is visible to everyone else. Do you see hordes of other nationalities giving such a crap? No, this response seems to be a very typical US-centric response.

[Japher]

Perhaps PH should come live in the bay area for a while. There are more communists here than anywhere else in the country. If communism works so well and is so great why have I become more conservative since moving here?

How in the same respect is capitalism any more of a success?

What I got from the initial post was that capitalism was a response to communism, and since communism is but a ghost in our society today one can blame capitalism for the fall of communism...

Communism as a government of a good number of people does not work because of the equal but not equal premise.

Capitalism is better because that line is recognized and the means to become more equal is obtainable.

[Provost Harrison]

Exists being the appropriate word DinoDoc...it is a self perpetuating system. So your point being?

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I am not talking about communism here, you are evading the question. How in the same respect is capitalism any more of a success?

Because it's better than anything else humans have tried so far.

[JohnT]

Provost, you're not making much sense here: You're accusing somebody of trolling in a troll thread? You're accusing somebody of defending something in an attack thread? You throw out generalizations while accusing others of doing the same?

Are you ok, man? We're here to talk.

[Arrian]

I'm not fishing, I am homing in on a particular point that is visible to everyone else. Do you see hordes of other nationalities giving such a crap? No, this response seems to be a very typical US-centric response.

Again, prior 'poly experience, at least for me. The majority of these threads either start with, or evolve into, being all about the evil american capitalists and how America is to blame for everything and it's not fair, and omg it's horrible! Sometimes it starts with "the west" and eventually becomes "America." Sometimes it's more blatant and just comes out firing against the American Imperialist PigDogs.

Some of my countrymen are used to it and respond accordingly: crap in, crap out.

-Arrian

[Provost Harrison]

Of course communism was a response to capitalism, I am most certainly not going to deny that. Marx said it himself if you read his work...Feudalism gave way to capitalism (or equivalent term) as it could not keep pace of movement in technology and production (ie, the Industrial Revolution). The issue Marx raised was, although capitalism was functional, was it capable of the distribution of resources needed in such an era. So I am certainly not going to disagree with you there.

[Japher]

I think PH thought this would of been a good topic for debate, and I spammed it before he had a chance to turn into a serious descussion; I apologize for that.

PH asks why is capitalism historically better than communism? Afterall governments of both kinds fall.

That's a good question.

I ask why I should take communism seriously? Afterall, communist countries are always having internal problems of great proportions in comparison to capitalist countries. Starvation, civil wars, iron rules, etc...

[Provost Harrison]

Thankyou Japher...I think you have just described the question I was trying to ask...