Capitalism, a false ideology?

[problem_child]

'Communists created a straw man and called it Capitalism, and used it much as the Christians use Satan, in order to scare people into their flock. Deal with it, your government is based on sh!t.'

-Sikander.

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Back when the communist theory was being developed, the kind of people that ran Western Europe and America (masters of the poor) had no counter to a theory that offered the worlds hordes of workers a just society where nobody got exploited and resources where shared out fairly (that's the communist theory anyway, in truth it just makes the state all-powerful, and then gives that power to those more equal then the rest).

Communism was created by people thinking scientifically, and sensibly.

So the rich westerners came up with capitalist economics in responce.

[BeBMan]

Capitalism is an ideology?

[Japher]

You really are a problem child, eh

Hoopla, your nuts!! How do I know?

Communism was created by people thinking scientifically, and sensibly.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Capitalism, a false ideology?

Originally posted by problem_child
So the rich westerners came up with capitalist economics in responce.

Adam Smith lived in the 18th century. Karl Marx in the 19th. This had to be one of the easiest posts to rip apart in awhile.

[BeBMan]

Thats just evil capitalist propaganda

[Bereta_Eder]

Communism was an expression of the human need for humane conditions and the end of exploitation. A movement of self awarness and emancipation of massses which were living in utter deprivation. People who have not lived in such conditions and are prejudist cannot hope to understand that communism was a real necessaity rising from specific socioeconomic and political needs.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Communism was an expression of the human need for humane conditions and the end of exploitation. A movement of self awarness and emancipation of massses which were living in utter deprivation. People who have not lived in such conditions and are prejudist cannot hope to understand that communism was a real necessaity rising from specific socioeconomic and political needs.

That's true, even though the Communism turned out be a far worse alternative. Nevertheless, the threat of Communism forced Capitalism itself to evolve, kind like the Matrix-Human competition.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Communism was an expression of the human need for humane conditions and the end of exploitation. A movement of self awarness and emancipation of massses which were living in utter deprivation. People who have not lived in such conditions and are prejudist cannot hope to understand that communism was a real necessaity rising from specific socioeconomic and political needs.

Still smoking that crack uh.

[Bereta_Eder]

Still utterly clueless Spray, but I luv ya

[Ned]

If the communists were the only ones responsible for the plight of the poor, the thesis might be right. But they were not.

The problem was not their concern for the poor but the solution they proposed. As we all know, what they proposed was a radical takeover of property by the workers and a future government of the workers, by the workers and for the workers. However idealist this might sound, in practice it does not work as we have learned from history. But the threat proposed by communists did cause a reaction: Fascism. And we all know just how much Fascism benefited the world.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Still utterly clueless Spray, but I luv ya

thats right. Crack is so 90's. I hear pot is making a big comeback in Europe?

[JCG]

So?

All ideologies are "false" to a degree, if you are serious enough about it to analyze them comprehensively.

[problem_child]

Re: Re: Capitalism, a false ideology?

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Adam Smith lived in the 18th century. Karl Marx in the 19th. This had to be one of the easiest posts to rip apart in awhile.

yah, perhaps I should have said neoclassical economics specificaly, and the attempt to make economics into a hard science with lots of maths to 'prove' capitalist superiority and enshrine the capitalist ethos, as represented by those American propaganda films put out in the 50s. Who says free-market economics is a good thing, who says it is the best system for bringing personal empowerment to the most people, the highest quality services and industries... capitalist idealists, that's who, and they say that kind of stuff as a counter to the idea of communism. Of course now free-market economics and globalisation is seen as the wave of the future... really it's just the economics of empire and hegemony... the ideology of the invisible masters of the 3rd world.

[problem_child]

Originally posted by Japher
You really are a problem child, eh

Hoopla, your nuts!! How do I know?

Yeah sure you disagree, but they really were thinking that way with the best intentions... fairness... equality... they just forgot that the world isn't a scientific or sensible place. And too much equality is oppressive, you end up just levelling everyone.

[Provost Harrison]

Why can't Americans even discuss the concept of Communism without foaming at the mouth. Look at Japher's or Sprayber's response. You just respond with an insult or a putdown. Grow up!