Capitalism, a false ideology?

[Lord Merciless]

I agree that communism was a response to the deficiencies of early capitalism. However, this doesn't mean that communism is a better system in any fashion. I would rather claim that communism has become a tool to assist the evolution of capitalism.

[Arrian]

I think PH thought this would of been a good topic for debate, and I spammed it before he had a chance to turn into a serious descussion

Well yeah, I assumed that's why he got annoyed.

PH - I was just nitpicking at your nitpick, so to speak.

It IS actually an interesting topic. I'm just tired of the form it usually takes.

-Arrian

[Japher]

I think communism is too prone to internal collapse due to abuse of power and the lack of competition needed to drive up standards of living.

[Lord Merciless]

Communism, in my mind, has become nothing but the daydreaming of college intellectuals who have no touch to reality.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
I agree that communism was a response to the deficiencies of early capitalism. However, this doesn't mean that communism is a better system in any fashion. I would rather claim that communism has become a tool to assist the evolution of capitalism.

Evolution of society indeed. I have become fairly cynical about all this in my old age Either way we have troubles that are colossal. I do consider communism to be the ultimate form of non-religious optimism in our species. And it would be nice to share that level of optimism but I do not. But from my perception, the balance of forces are too far in one direction currently, and that is that of the capitalist class. For the productivity of our society I don't think we are reaping it's full rewards...there does need to be a change, perhaps a change in working class mentality to create a more central equilibrium. But it is not worth being idealistic either way, and I am not going to be.

[JohnT]

"I do consider communism to be the ultimate form of non-religious optimism in our species. "

Really? I've noticed the opposite, that the Left is essentially a defeatist, pessimistic ideology that is held by, well, pessimists. As you, yourself are.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


Evolution of society indeed. I have become fairly cynical about all this in my old age Either way we have troubles that are colossal. I do consider communism to be the ultimate form of non-religious optimism in our species. And it would be nice to share that level of optimism but I do not. But from my perception, the balance of forces are too far in one direction currently, and that is that of the capitalist class. For the productivity of our society I don't think we are reaping it's full rewards...there does need to be a change, perhaps a change in working class mentality to create a more central equilibrium. But it is not worth being idealistic either way, and I am not going to be.

Communism sounds good in theory. Anything that doesn't work in reality is bad, regardless how good it sounds in theory.

Also, I have never heard of the word "capitalist class" here. Maybe you Brits have different class consciousness?

[JohnT]

"Also, I have never heard of the word "capitalist class" here."

That's because we're controlled by the capitalists. Duh!

[NeOmega]

Capitalism has been around since someone traded a fish for a loaf of bread.
It is man's nature.

And communists are delusional to think otherwise. Look around, do you see people helping eachother freely? Maybe the best of people spend 10% of their lives helping others.... and these are a very, very tiny portion of the world population.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by JohnT
That's because we're controlled by the capitalists. Duh!

What's with this we crap? Aren't you one of those capitalist pig-dogs?

[JohnT]

Oh, yeah. I forgot in the heat of debate.

<--- pig-dog and loving it.

[Commie Chocobo]

If one knows anything about capitalism, it arrised when one man traded his loaf of bread for the other mans labour

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Commie Chocobo
If one knows anything about capitalism, it arrised when one man traded his loaf of bread for the other mans labour

And the "Pithy comment of the Day" award goes to... Commie Chocobo!

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Sprayber



thats right. Crack is so 90's. I hear pot is making a big comeback in Europe?

That was pre-war. Now it is barbiturates. It's called socialized medicine.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless


Communism sounds good in theory. Anything that doesn't work in reality is bad, regardless how good it sounds in theory.

Also, I have never heard of the word "capitalist class" here. Maybe you Brits have different class consciousness?

Ruling class, priveleged class. Despite how you try and claim they don't exist, they do. Although in theory you are supposed to be able to rise from the gutter, this is rare. Once born into privelege always born into privilege - it is damn unlikely you are going to rise far above your origins. Most of this is probably more of an indictment against the nature of British society.