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    Dean regrets, defends Confederate flag remark

    Defends message on civil rights

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean Wednesday said he regretted any hurt his comments on the Confederate flag may have caused, but defended his message on civil rights.

    Slammed at a Tuesday night forum by other Democratic candidates for his remark that he wants to be a candidate for "guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks," the former Vermont governor, speaking at a campaign rally at Cooper Union, tried to smooth ruffled Democratic feathers, but staunchly defended efforts to reach out to all Americans.

    "I believe that we have one flag in this country -- the flag of the United States of America," he said, echoing words used by some of his critics.

    "I believe that the flag of the Confederate States of America is a painful symbol and reminder of racial injustice and slavery which (Abraham) Lincoln denounced from here over 150 years ago," he said, referring to Lincoln's 1860 speech at Cooper Union. "I do not condone the use of the flag of the Confederate States of America."

    But Dean did not apologize. He said, "We're not going to win this country, and even worse, Democrats, if we don't have a big tent."

    He said, "This country needs to engage in a serious discussion about race and that everyone must participate in that discussion."

    Dean said, "I started this discussion in a clumsy way. This discussion will be painful and I regret the pain that I may have caused either to African-American or Southern white voters in the beginning of this discussion. But we need to have this discussion in an honest, open way."

    During the Rock the Vote forum at Boston's Faneuil Hall Tuesday night, Dean was criticized by other Democratic candidates for his remarks. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina said, "The last thing we need in the South is somebody like you coming down and telling us what we need to do."

    He told Dean the remarks were condescending.

    "The people I grew up with, the vast majority of them, they don't drive around with Confederate flags on pickup trucks," Edwards said.

    On Wednesday, Dean said he understands Edwards' concerns about Northerners telling Southerners how to run their affairs, but said Americans need to know that all citizens "are in this together."

    Dean said institutional racism permeates the country, even after the success of the civil rights movement.

    "You have a better chance of being called back for a job interview if you are white with a criminal record than you do if you are black with a clean record, never having been arrested or convicted," he said.

    He said he is "determined" that no one will be left behind in the discussion on racism, "no matter what their color and where they live."

    "This will be a difficult and painful discussion and feelings will be hurt," he said. "... People of good will must stay at the table."

    He said Americans must face the problem together "hand in hand" as Lincoln and slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King urged Americans to do.

    "We must have the dialogue that Bill Clinton promised us," he said. "We must have that dialogue. And we must continue the dialogue. We must all be at the table."


    The Dems are reaching for the NASCAR vote, a demographic increasingly abandoned by them starting in the '50s. Or, at least, Howard Dean is.

    OTOH, it isn't going to win him much support from the elite intelligentsia of the Democratic party like your Maya Angelou's and Barbara Streisands. Can he wrestle the Democratic party away from the ivory tower back into the auto garage?

    Time will tell.

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    You just had to rattle his cage, didn't you?
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    • #3
      Pretty certainly he'll be unable to do that. The issues today that are most predictive of which candidate one will support are the social issues such as Abortion(the most predictive issue), gay rights, gun control, and affirmative action. Given the Democrats stances on those issues, it is unlikely they will be able to make any headway in the South. Dean in particular would have a problem doing this given his position on the war. Bush remains very popular in the South, and is likely to win all or nearly all of the Southern States. The Democratic Nominee would be using his time more efficently going for more established swing states.
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      • #4
        i still don't see why white southerners with deep roots should be ashamed of the confederate battle flag.

        sure, it might be offensive to some, but as long as they don't stick it on the state flag...
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        • #5
          JohnT -- so what is NEW?? You're getting slower these days, aren't ya?

          In another thread, I already stated that I MIGHT have to withdraw my support for Dean. But if Dean brought up his remarks on the Confederate flag to initiate serious, significant discussion on race issues, then I might retain my support.

          Note how Dean himself stated the deplorable hiring practices in our country -- he does not seem to be worshipping the Confederate flag, but rather, bringing that topic up to shock people into serious discussion on race relations.
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #6
            I don't read threads, only thread titles.

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            • #7
              No bannanas for you, then!
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #8
                The "outrage" over Dean's poor choice of words is SO overblown it would almost fit as script material in Kill Bill. Good movie, btw. Anyway, I'll vote whatever Democrat runs against Bush, regardless. I've had my eye on Dean since I first heard of him months ago, and this little verbal gaffe is just that, a blunder, an honest mistake. Dean is not going to be sporting a gleaming white-hooded robe on Inaguration Day 2005. He isn't going to terrorize Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton by putting burning crosses on their lawns. He's not going to commend Trent Lott nor his idol Strom Thurmond.

                It was nothing more than a bone-headed choice of words. Over at DU I've seen too many people with their undergarments wedged firmly up their asscracks over this. I DARE not say this over there, but my god people, pick your Hanes and Foot-of-the-Looms out already 'cause we have less than a year to defeat Bush. Tissy fits like this aren't helpful to that end.

                Aside, I'd be happy with a Dean/Clark, Dean/Kunich, or Kunich/Clark Democrat ticket in '04. I haven't really decided if Clark would be better as a President or Vice-President. He strikes me as weak on the domestic side, which is more important to me for the foreseable future. Considering the mess the Boy King has made of our standing in the international community, Clark or Kunich could handle the diplomacy and Clark could give strong counsel for the more agressive stuff.
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                • #9
                  this little verbal gaffe is just that, a blunder, an honest mistake.


                  Funny gaffe... seeing as he's said it in two seperate speeches .
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                  • #10
                    "the Boy King."

                    Well, if Bush is the King, then that makes all these Democrats rebel insurgents to the crown who ought to be imprisoned.
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                    • #11
                      Those sort of guys aren't going to have warm and fuzzy feelings for the governor who was crucial in getting recognition for gay marriages. It seems silly for him to try.
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                      • #12
                        He's backpedalling fast.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by skywalker
                          He's backpedalling fast.
                          It's par for the course by now.
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                          • #14
                            He's NOT going to terrorize Al Sharpton? Pity...
                            Well, Dean seems to be a rabblerouser without any clearly defined plan at this point anyways. Maybe Clark or Kerry is better, idunno. Dim prospects in general.
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                            • #15


                              Former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean has expanded his lead over the field of Democratic presidential hopefuls, moving away from a late September tie with retired General Wesley Clark. Dean now receives 15% from 558 likely Democratic primary voters nationwide, and Clark has slipped slightly to 10%.

                              Polling was conducted from Zogby International’s Call Center in Utica, November 3 – 5. The margin of survey error is +/- 4.2 percentage points. Error margins are higher in sub-groups.

                              Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt and Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman are tied for third at 9%, slight improvements over September polling. Massachusetts Senator John Kerry remains at 7%, followed by civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton (4%), and North Carolina Senator John Edwards (3%). Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich and former Illinois Senator Carol Mosley Braun are tied with 2% each.

                              One in three (34%) Democratic primary voters remain undecided on a candidate, down slightly from September undecideds of 43%.
                              Dean has a decent lead according to the latest Zogby poll.
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