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  • Originally posted by Havak
    He is not the only poor coach ever to win a big prize like that. You opinion of Clive Woodward would be pertinent here maybe?
    I've never called Clive a poor coach. The overwhelming evidence is that he's a very fine coach. That he's psychotic is an entirely different matter.

    Deano remains the man who won things with the team that Bob built (and couldn’t win a crossword puzzle with). There’s something in that whatever else Bob’s CV says.
    Presumably, therefore, there's also something in the fact that, as age, et al, catches up with the team that Bob built, Deano is found wanting when it comes to arresting the decline? Deano - good coach of readymade teams? And without a WRC trophy on his CV?



    But I find my veneer of shallowness quite useful.
    I'm hoping that's Tamerlin's excuse too!

    Yes you are right of course – although I think Atkinson himself was a co-writer on the original series and I seem to recall him coughing to that possibly being a problem in hindsight.
    Yes, you're right, he was involved. So he's equally to blame for the lameness. I recall watching the first episode way back when. I couldn't believe how dreadful it was. Suddenly, come the second series, and Ben Elton's arrival, it took off. The later series remain, IMHO, some of the best television comedy ever produced.

    Very true. The man of course never needs to work again. Did you ever catch the Vicar of Dibley – Curtis had his hands in that too along with another Comic strip veteran in Dawn French.
    Yes, I watched a few of them. I don't think Curtis has an original bone in his body. "Four Weddings", for example, was a stringing together of some of the hoariest old movie romance clichés and caricatures, and he has basically recycled them in most of his films since. Still, they make money, so what do I know? "Dibley" was another stringing together of village television caricatures. Me? Bitterly jealous? Never!

    Oh yes and the latest series of Ab Fab is airing here right now. It may well be a season too far for it although last Friday’s episode with Robert Lindsay and Elton John (classic line where he asks Joanna Lumley’s Patsy “Didn’t I know you when you were a man?") and a plot around the Beatles and Abbey Road was funny I will admit.
    Is it a new series? The last new "Ab Fab" we had was a 90-minute thing a year or so ago. I thought the first series exhausted the concept's potential. Or, probably more likely, it exhausted Jennifer Saunders' work (writing) ethic. To be fair, it's very difficult to continue to find new levels working within a heightened concept like "Ab Fab".

    Have you noticed I wonder that none of those innovative comedy series are made by or for ITV? Auntie beeb serves a very valuable function here in that she can afford to take ‘risks’.
    That's the almighty advertising dollar (or pound)/ratings nexus again. It's also one of the fundamental reasons why Auntie - and the ABC here - exist. To provide the alternative. Unfortunately, the ABC here, persecuted - strangled financially - by governments of all political persuasions for perceived anti-government bias, is a fiscal basketcase. (Auntie's recent sh*tfight over the Blair/WMD/suicide matter is only a more public and spectacular version of what goes on endlessly here) Each party, while in opposition, blathers about the importance of the independence of the ABC. Each party, in government, murders the ABC because it's the only part of the electronic media over which they have direct - fiscal - control, and, by cutting its resouces, they seek to minimise the possibility of any negative reporting of the government.

    The current government's phobia about the ABC reached Pythonesque proportions recently. The (now, thankfully, former) Minister for Communications, under whose jurisdiction the ABC falls, became obsessed with the ABC's reporting of the Iraq war, convinced that the ABC journos opposed the American invasion. Of course, as you'd be aware, any criticism of the American invasion of Iraq is deemed "anti-American". Thus the Minister was accusing the ABC of being anti-American. He produced a log of 87 complaints, mainly involving ABC radio's premier morning current affairs programme. He had transcripts of the host's introductions of the war reports, transcripts of the journo-on-the-spot's reports, et al. He'd had their words analysed, their syntax analysed, and even their (verbal) emphasis on particular words analysed. All of which, he claimed, proved that the ABC was "anti-American".

    Lo and behold, an independent body found a handful of the complaints had a degree of merit, in that the reports were, at worst, "sceptical" of the reasons behind the attack on Iraq.

    Such is what passes for government in this country.

    The further problem with the ABC here is that, while a fiscal basketcase, they have also succumbed to the government's economic rationalist view that any public money spent on broadcasting should be spent as "commercially" as possible, meaning, ultimately, that they're simply competing with the commercial networks for ratings. Or trying to, and failing, because they don't have the commercial networks' massive resources. Thus the meagre resources they have are p*ssed against the wall. Tragically, risk and innovation went out the ABC window quite a few years ago.

    Is this affecting Mrs Finbar? I’m not clear what area she works in.
    She's a versatile lass. She's been a writer, script editor, producer and executive producer. She has just left the 9 Network after 4 years as Network Script Executive, meaning she oversaw the development of all new drama projects and supervised the ongoing drama productions. It was a killer workload.

    Now, she's returning to producing. She has developed a telemovie that is doubling as a pilot for a TV series which is set, of all places, in Alice Springs. The Alice Springs component will be shot in January. The temperatures will be a killer, and, she has discovered from other producers who have filmed there in summer, the flies are actually more of a problem than the heat. Standard procedure, apparently, is to set up a big fan very close to the camera gate in order to blow the flies out of the gate in order to avoid shots in which massive flies fill the frame. The trouble with that, of course, is that having a big fan running so close to the action makes sound recording a nightmare.

    Anyway, to answer your question - while she was at 9, the crew situation wasn't a problem for her, directly. But it was a problem for various local producers who struggled to get crews together. In the past, producing telemovies and the like, she ran into the same problem. Things should settle down now that we will see fewer American productions here. Thus, the American utterances about how much they loved working here, how great the country was, et al, will be proved to be exactly what they were - code for, "we're here because your dollar's f*cked and it costs us less to come all this way to shoot here than it would cost us to shoot in our own backyard".
    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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    • Originally posted by Tamerlin
      Sorry to answer so lately but I have had big problems with my computers that took me five days to solve (a big and nasty Worm or Trojan difficult to get rid off).
      Serves you right! Get a decent computer like a Mac!

      [I] and Finbar's favorite blonde gave the Narbonnais some concern...
      What colour was her hair this time?

      Oh, and I'll email you about Grand Funk Railroad.
      " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
      "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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      • Originally posted by Caligastia
        The second series finished airing here about a month ago, but I still haven't seen the last episode. The last one I saw was when the boss, David, got let go. How are they going to work him back into the story?
        Wait and see! The last ep of series two is an absolute corker. And it's a reason why I have such high hopes for Gervais and his mate. There are two stunning moments in the last ep - I won't go into any detail - that are pure "drama" of the highest order. Beautifully conceived, beautifully played. You should see the ep as soon as you can.
        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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        • Originally posted by Caligastia


          Brittas Empire was a goodie. I haven't seen that one in ages though. When did they stop making them?
          7 series, 52 episodes

          Transmitted: 1991-97
          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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          • Cheers Tamerlin , that was the sort of answer I was looking for. I'm afraid I find present day European attitudes much a mystery having never been there.

            I agree with you when you say when looking at his cruelty one must look at the period he lived in. I'm also glad that French history is favourable towards him, he is comparable to the likes of Caesar and Alexander the Great in many ways, and you see many instances (a small example - a comment in Seinfeld about him being a 'ruthless warmonger') that are from the assumption he was another dictator - I think the difference was he had intent for good to come to France and Europe. England was indeed, quite aggressive in constantly trying to incite war with bribes and lies in order to stop a potential competitor to their superiority emerging from the continent. And also as you stated, his story is in part mythical for his rise and importance as an individual (even the age is often called 'Napoleonic') and can be easily embellished. It is ironic such a man simply withered away in isolation and obscurity - no great betrayel, death in battle, suicide - simply stomach cancer. I can't help wonder whether they would have been a World War I or II had he succeded in uniting Europe, maybe as it is today.

            BTW - I was amazed at the anti-French sentiment in the US over Iraq - it almost tells you they have little comprehension of their own history with the French essential for their victory in the Revolution and Napoleon's sale of the Louisiana territory (for a tiny price) which doubled their size - without which they'd be no America as we know today.

            And Tamerlin, if you play Civ3 (which I just picked up again after a year and a half) their is a Napoleon scn in the new expansion - very easy but a nice portrayel nevertheless.

            I've never called Clive a poor coach. The overwhelming evidence is that he's a very fine coach. That he's psychotic is an entirely different matter.
            He is a good coach, but Finbar, perhaps any coach with the amount of money he had...? The England team have a vast, top class support group, I think in this case more than others the power of the English team is reliant on more than the head coach.
            "Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)

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            • Originally posted by finbar
              I'm hoping that's Tamerlin's excuse too!
              Because I said I would not have the time to catch up with the thread until tomorrow does not mean I am not watchful.



              Spit!



              Ding!


              :wary:
              "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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              • Originally posted by NeoStar

                He is a good coach, but Finbar, perhaps any coach with the amount of money he had...? The England team have a vast, top class support group, I think in this case more than others the power of the English team is reliant on more than the head coach.
                Yes, there was a huge budget and a massive back-up staff, but the dollars - or, in this case, pounds - don't coach the players, nor does the back-up staff. It could also be argued that Clive had the will and energy and intelligence to put the support base in place. Clive, BTW, I think, has studied Rod Macqueen's methods and philosophies pretty closely.

                It should also be borne in mind that the Wallabies weren't far behind England in the fiscal and physical resources departments. We just didn't have the onfield quality in certain key areas. What Clive had at his disposal, of course, were two absolutely outstanding players amongst a group of good players, all coached to play their part.
                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                • Originally posted by Tamerlin


                  Because I said I would not have the time to catch up with the thread until tomorrow does not mean I am not watchful.
                  Ha! Caught you watching!



                  :wary:
                  My mission succeeds!



                  And check your email!
                  " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                  "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                  • New Zealand rugby begins to tear itself apart.
                    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                    • Originally posted by finbar
                      And check your email!
                      Check yours!
                      "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • I have! Many times! I just did again! Nothing!
                        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                        • Mail posted at 2:32 am French time.
                          "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                          • It still hasn't turned up! I think Madamoiselle Labit secretly owns your ISP and she's unfairly punishing me for my perfectly fair comments about her Nancy habits!
                            " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                            "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                            • Still nothing!
                              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                              • Brittas Empire – Finbar beat me to it! And I knew the answer too (except for the ep numbers)

                                Chris Barie’s follow up – A Prince Amongst Men – sank without race as it featured a super rich but low IQ soccer player with a huge ego. Presumably people just thought it was a documentary.

                                The overwhelming evidence is that he's a very fine coach. That he's psychotic is an entirely different matter.
                                I can never successfully twist your words can I?

                                In reality I have to admit he is a better coach than I thought he was four years ago.

                                Deano is found wanting when it comes to arresting the decline? Deano - good coach of readymade teams?
                                Absolutely spot on Finbar. I actually discussed it last night with the seniors of my touring party. Deano is now under the spotlight for his signings and his tactical decisions. He can no longer trade on his name as a player (and he was hugely famous here) and when his senior players went AWOL with England his tactical nounce seemed to fail with him players players out of position in a desperate hope something might work. His post match comments have been laughable (‘we would have won but for conceding more points than the opposition’). It’s a shame because he is such a nice guy – but one has to think of the club

                                I am worried he is burnt out and that both he and the club would benefit from a change. It’s a shame because he is such a nice guy – but one has to think of the club after all.

                                And he should have had an RWC win on his CV as a player – damn that Campo and Bob!!!

                                The later series remain, IMHO, some of the best television comedy ever produced.
                                The mistake in the original series was making Edmund slimy and fawning. The later characters worked for their more Machiavellian qualities?

                                Atkinson walked too early – the series skipped some very promising periods that could have been mined and the fact that he left the series to pursue the totally lame Mr Bean concept – well what more can I say…it all reinforces that Elton was the main talent.

                                "Dibley" was another stringing together of village television caricatures. Me? Bitterly jealous? Never!
                                As if.

                                He has been very lucky with the casting for his projects – it has normally been the supporting cast that has made them shine. It’s certainly true of Dibley and Four weddings (Simon Callow steals it if I recall) and Notting Hill (the support turn by the mad Welshman).

                                What you need is a strng script and a superb casting director?

                                Is it a new series?
                                It is – brand new episodes – and they all seem to be credited to Jenifer.

                                by cutting its resouces, they seek to minimise the possibility of any negative reporting of the government.
                                Very democratic is it not?

                                The BBC effectively won the WMD/suicide issue. Campbell went. Blair is on the ropes for his ridiculous foundation (aka private) hospital and student fees proposals (I am strongly opposed to both).

                                I never thought I would see the day where the Labour party is helmed by a Public School boy whilst the Tory leader (much as I detest him) went to a state Grammar school.

                                Lo and behold, an independent body found a handful of the complaints had a degree of merit, in that the reports were, at worst, "sceptical" of the reasons behind the attack on Iraq.

                                Such is what passes for government in this country.
                                That is actually truly staggering stuff. It makes out lot look almost Professional!

                                that they're simply competing with the commercial networks for ratings
                                It’s a hiding to nothing.

                                It gives me a better idea of the climate you are selling into though.

                                I truly wish I could say the BBC did not take part in this – but BBC 1 exists to go head to head with ITV in the ratings war. They are also far more successful at it than they have historically been. I think it helps that ITV is run by huge egos AND that Sky erodes ITV viewing far more than it does BBC.

                                Tragically, risk and innovation went out the ABC window quite a few years ago.
                                By which I assume they too have a five nights week silly soap?

                                She has just left the 9 Network after 4 years as Network Script Executive, meaning she oversaw the development of all new drama projects and supervised the ongoing drama productions. It was a killer workload.
                                I don’t doubt it! Life is all about a healthy balance between work and social life. You know where I fall on the question – it seems the good lady got trapped the other side!?

                                Standard procedure, apparently, is to set up a big fan very close to the camera gate in order to blow the flies out of the gate in order to avoid shots in which massive flies fill the frame. The trouble with that, of course, is that having a big fan running so close to the action makes sound recording a nightmare.
                                I love it. As we watch these things and suspend our disbelief we hardly ever ask ourselves the question “how did they keep them big ass flies out of the frame?”. And do we ever empathise with the Producers?
                                "we're here because your dollar's f*cked and it costs us less to come all this way to shoot here than it would cost us to shoot in our own backyard".
                                In 2001 I got $2.90 to the pound – it made the holiday very reasonable in terms of spending money. It’s now around $2.35 but I suspect that is still attractive to UK investment – we may take up some of the slack – though we are of course notoriously stingier productions that US ones. Ask Mrs Finbar to work in on the Dwarf movie. Then again don’t – otherwise you might be descended upon by a retired rugby team.

                                The England team have a vast, top class support group, I think in this case more than others the power of the English team is reliant on more than the head coach.
                                That’s a good point. Except NZ are certainly exactly the same – and if you look at the Aussie setup they match other squads post for post (fitness, nutrition, medical etc) More than anything though England are reliant on the Captain of the squad. I think this will be rapidly proved when he goes.

                                What Clive had at his disposal, of course, were two absolutely outstanding players amongst a group of good players, all coached to play their part.
                                Ask him for the names someone!

                                I must read back over Tamerlin’s Napoleon post later on. I must admit my opinion of him has always been coloured by his comparison to Wellesley as a General – where the Duke was by far the better of the two and has never really been properly credited for that. But I don’t for a minute believe the Duke was the better MAN of the two – has a dig around and find some of the quotes from Wellington about his birth in Dublin (“Because one is born in stable it does not make one a horse” which provoked one of the best Political putdowns ever IMO “No sir, but it does make one an Ass”).
                                It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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