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Originally posted by Azazel
What an interesting metaphore.
What an interesting metaphore.
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I'm sure your country has never been called "Asher" ever before
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Well it is logical to name Israel if you think that a.) we are not looking for the ones that start things and b.) who has many enemies and will most likely be in some sort of a war
Israel has many enemies. Naturalyl Israelis might wonder, why not Syria or Iran first? Well, they all have common enemy. Israel. So you guys are the common dividor with these, though I'd say you're not to blame for this. And you have lots of firepower to really start leveling and make room for few shopping centers. So, that would be logical answer. Yes? I'm just trying to figure out.. we need to see how the questions were made too.
To say Israel is the biggest threat and it's their fault and they are rogue is naturally pretty much as wrong as you could get it.In da butt.
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I don't understand people who are suprised.
Israel occupies foreign terrotories, send settlers there, is hostile towards every neighbour, has nukes or so it seems,
is a strong militarised state with support of world power and it proved it will attack its neigbours if it finds it necessary.
If it is its fault, it may be questioned, but still..."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
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I wouldn't go that far. Bush is misguided, but Sharon is worse.Originally posted by Dissident
a crazier leader than Israel has.
It is, by the BritsOriginally posted by Dissident
I demand the U.S. be regarded as the biggest threat to world peace!
I agree. Israel is only a thread because of the US support though. NK is a threat, but is not involved in any direct conflict, due to what the US would do if it did. Israel doesn't have those repercussions. Terrorism is a threat, but you cannot hold any single nation responsible for that. IMHO, the US is the biggest threat to world peace, since it will pre-emptively strike, and Israel is partly a threat due largely to US support. However the US also manages to passively keep other nations, such as NK, in check, because without the threat from the US, they could act aggressively far easier. That is why I believe a strong US military, doing what it does, but without the pre-emptive strike doctrine, is the way to have the least threat to world peace. The only way to reduce it further, is to alter it's foreign policy with regards to the middle east, which isn't going to happen, and to reduce the effects of globalisation that anger much of the developing world, which in many cases, shouldn't change IMHO.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Well on the merit: Is Israel under Sharon a threat to world peace? I'd say yes, somewhat, indirectly - unfortunately a poll does not allow for further clarification.
The US is a bigger threat because of it's power, not it's intentions. India/Pakistan is pretty much contained between the two. NK is a threat to the US and East Asia, but will not spread further. Israel/Palestine is the only one that could possibly spill into Europe, apart from US actions. That is why they are regarded as more of a threat in Europe, if they are. It's partly newtime, partly the contraversiality of the conflict, and partly that the others will not affect Europe.Smile
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I still don't understand what you lefties expect Israel to do.
I'm listening.Comment
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Create a Palestinian state. Go back to 1968/9 (around then
) borders, as set by the UN.
And it's not just lefties. In RL, I have never met a pro-Israel person, left, centre or right (or at least, no-one I've got to know well enough to know their opinion). Over here, the vast majority of people are pro-Palestine. It was a shock when i came on OTF first to see how far the other way most Americans were, actaually.Smile
For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
But he would think of something
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As long as People exist, there are going to be threats to world peace.Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
As long as Israel exists, and there are animosities between Jews & Muslims, it is a threat to peace.Last edited by Edan; November 2, 2003, 16:42."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Create a Palestinian state. Go back to 1968/9 (around then ) borders, as set by the UN.
a) It's 67'.
b) IT HAS BEEN OFFERED.
goddamn, do I have to explain it each time?Comment
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A number of simple reasons:Originally posted by Azazel
I realize that it's the way-out-of-proportion TV coverage, but that raises the question, wtf is it that way?
It's in an area between three continents PLUS
Its in an area thats been in conflict for a long time PLUS
Compared to the countries surrounding it, it is a westernized country plus one with freedom of press, meaning that many news organizations base their region stations there
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Well with a couple strings attached... but still, Arafat should have taken the offer. And I'd have been extremely curious whether Barak would have followed through on it.Originally posted by Azazel
b) IT HAS BEEN OFFERED.
But at the moment, you have no Palestinian leadership to negotiate with, and Sharon who wants to kill what remains of the peace process.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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here is how we solve the problem:
1) relocate the entire population to New York City
2) Send the Palestinians to Egypt
3) Nuke the whole damn placeWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Ted Striker, that should work.In da butt.
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But at the moment, you have no Palestinian leadership to negotiate with, and Sharon who wants to kill what remains of the peace process.
If there is no palestinian leadership to negotiate with, what is there to kill?Comment
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Advancing the settlements and playing with Arafat's exile is good enough in the meantime.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Well, seriously, It's like, what else can Israel do? Even if Abu-Allah says that he'll take our deal, there is no way in hell that he's going to do anything against IJ, and Hamas, since apparently the rule of law is a goddamn unknown concept over the other side.
And that's what WE really care about, ain't it? Heck, I think that if palestinians had a Saddam Hussein, we'd have a chance for a deal. at least he would be strong enough ( arab version of legitimate, it seems.
), to force a deal on anyone who wouldn't play along.
OTOH, he's a cunning bastard, and would stab us in the back like that, so that ain't a good deal, either.
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