rrright....

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Azazel
What an interesting metaphore.

And Israel is clearly a BIG reasons for the tensions between the West and the Arab-Muslim world.

Since most of the arab world is actually mad that we even exist, I think that what's the problem is arab macho culture making them "all or nothing at all" all the goddamn time. OMG you didn't have it your way one time!

And they cry so piteously about always getting nothing. Losers!

[Az]

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Azazel
Btw, people, lately "Israelis" has been reduced to "Azazel".

It has to do with why everybody pays attention and why people don't like it when you tramp on the guy who isn't getting a few billion a year from uncle sam. It's not a justification, it's an explanation as to why people say "Israel" when asked the question. Obviously it's a stupid answer, but there you go...

I REALLY fail to understand your point.

Did this discussion not start with the recent poll which suggested that most Europeans regard Israel as the greatest single danger to world peace (or something)?

If so, then I'm explaining why they got that answer.

I don't have a "point" in that I'm not using this to attack Israel, if that's what you're asking.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Verto
I'm not surprised, after seeing a poll from NPR that showed 60% of German males 16-24 believed the US government carried out the 9/11 attacks.

You've got to be kidding me!

Idiots.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Edan


As long as People exist, there are going to be threats to world peace.

The magazine???? Wow, I didn't realize pointless gossip and celeb news was a threat to world peace.

[lord of the mark]

go look at the actual results by country, on the EU website. Some of the highest "yes" numbers for is Israel a threat come from the most pro-Israel countries, like Netherlands and Denmark. Apparently, with only countries listed, not conflict situations, and with Palestine not on the list ("its not a country") people said yes on Israel to indicate that they saw the israel-Pal conflict as a threat to peace.

Kinda what Spiffor said, i guess.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Azazel
Btw, people, lately "Israelis" has been reduced to "Azazel".

that does good to israel and peace
LOTM and Edian or whatshesname OTOH.... much harm

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by paiktis22


that does good to israel and peace
LOTM and Edian or whatshesname OTOH.... much harm

thanks, im flattered

[Ned]

Aazzell, I think you hit the nail on the head when you asked a question as to why the bulk of media in Europe is anti-Israel. I believe it is because the bulk of media in Europe has a liberal bias. As far as I know, they have no equivalent of Fox News nor they have conservative talk radio as we do here in United States. All they ever hear, read or see the constant drumbeat of anti-Israeli spin.

Now I may be completely wrong here. But am I? Is Fox News widely available in Europe? Does Europe have an equivalent of Fox News? Does Europe have conservative talk radio?

[Spiffor]

Ned:
AFAIK, there is only one Europe-wide information network, and it's called "Euronews". Euronews isn't exactly unbiased, but it seems to follow the bias of the country to which it's sending.
I mean, Euronews airs the same footage, but the comments change, as the footage is dubbed in 6 languages. For example, I could sometimes see two radically different comments on the same Israel / Palestine news item (and same footage) when switching from French to English

So, to answer your question, you have to ask on a national basis. In France, info is mostly transmitted by one of the two main general channels (the public and the private one). The biggest private general channel, TF1, has a clear right-wing bias, as it had always favored right-wing candidates during elections and during crises. There's a close 'relationship' between right-wing governments and the public works company that owns TF1
But we have no media outrageously insane, far-rightish and nationalistic like Faux News in France. There is however a fringe radio station that follows Le Pen's ideology, if you're interested.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ned
Aazzell, I think you hit the nail on the head when you asked a question as to why the bulk of media in Europe is anti-Israel. I believe it is because the bulk of media in Europe has a liberal bias. As far as I know, they have no equivalent of Fox News nor they have conservative talk radio as we do here in United States. All they ever hear, read or see the constant drumbeat of anti-Israeli spin.

Now I may be completely wrong here. But am I? Is Fox News widely available in Europe? Does Europe have an equivalent of Fox News? Does Europe have conservative talk radio?

Actually IIRC Rupert Murdoch owns Fox News - in Europe he owns Sky (and Sky News), which happens to be the largest satellite channel across Europe. EVERYONE who has satellite or cable has Sky News, CNN etc.

So yes. You are wrong - as usual...

Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist - have you even been outside your country?

Come back when you actually know what you are talking about.

[Spiffor]

Mobius:
Does anybody outside Britain watch Sky News?

[Ned]

One of the questions is, do they get FOX News. Neither of you answered that.

Also, does Europe have talk radio? And if they do, do they somehow prevent conservatives from having shows?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
One of the questions is, do they get FOX News. Neither of you answered that.

I don't remind having ever seen Faux News in my satellite distribution, unlike CNN, ABC, MSNBC and Bloomberg. Now, I haven't looked into the availabilty of American channels in more than a year, so maybe Faux is accessible since then.

Talk radio exists. In France, there is no law that could shut up a talk radio emission, except if it calls to hate or racial hate.
However, there aren't many radios specialized in pure talk. In general, there are general radios that deature talk shows.

[Ned]

In the US, AM is virtually all news or talk radio. Music primarily appears on FM.

FYI, I really like MSNBC. It is increasingly right-wing, probably to compete with FOX News. FOX News is now #1 in all time slots in America vis-a-vis other news programs.

Also, Rush Limbaugh has a larger audience than all news programs, newspapers and news magazines by a large margin. He reaches an estimated 20 million listeners a day (IIRC). This is why the left is gunning for him and why anything he says or does is news.

It would be interesting if Rush expanded into Europe.