Minorities Getting Better Education Than Other Kids

[Az]

this is why the American affirmative action was (and maybe still is) justified for access at the University, because racism towards Blacks was a real hindrance, and Skin colour is a real indicator of the racism you suffer.

WTF?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Azazel
WTF?

In the past, in American universities, Blacks suffered from racism (mostly by their schoolmates), and said racism was a significant hindrance for Blacks to enter university, no matter their wealth or education.

In this case, it was necessary to help Blacks, because only Blacks (and maybe other minorities) suffered from this kind of racism. In such a situation, skin colour was a justified deciding factor for affirmative action.

[Az]

?! What is needed to do is to stop the racial criteria, not to put new ones instead.

Why the hell should a black kid from a middle-class family be preferred over a white kid from a middle-class family?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Azazel
Why the hell should a black kid from a middle-class family be preferred over a white kid from a middle-class family?

To counterbalance the fact that society prefers a white kid from a middle-class family. When the society stops preferring white kids, the affirmative action has indeed no reason to exist anymore.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Azazel

this is why the American affirmative action was (and maybe still is) justified for access at the University, because racism towards Blacks was a real hindrance, and Skin colour is a real indicator of the racism you suffer.

WTF?

Try being black and looking for a summer job. Many people would reject you from the beggining. So, since drawbacks come based on skin colour in western societies, it is only natural that benefits will be given based on colour as well.

At least that's one rational.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Hello? Excuse me? Is this going to be taking across all British schools?

Nope. 30 schools. Now it strikes me that if this is part of The Great Evil Lefty PC Conspiracy That Is Evil And Must Be Stopped Why Didn't We Believe You Enoch, they'd probably have tried it in a few more schools, don't you?

Which strikes me that this has "pilot" written all over it. Presumably to test whether teaching methods across the board need to be reviewed. If, on a nationwide level, we are failing to educate black kids successfully then a government-funded scheme to try out new methods strikes me as being a good idea. Or do we just leave them to rot?

Is it just Apolyton? Does it cause people to switch off their brains when reading articles and not think about them?

[yavoon]

its a very large uphill battle to hurl money at schools in poor neighborhoods. its like trying to get an alcoholic to quit by building him a padded white room and paying security guards to watch him.

most of the ppl who believe in education, are hard working and dedicated leave these neighborhoods. so what u have is a social vacuum. afterall, there is always a place where ppl who are smart and capable will leave.

the best thing u can do is *try* to find the ppl who are smart and willing and stable enuff to become productive members of society and try to get them out. but there is no way at present to stop the vacuum.

realize though that it is the culture of these neighborhoods that creates these situations.

[Az]

Try being black and looking for a summer job. Many people would reject you from the beggining. So, since drawbacks come based on skin colour in western societies, it is only natural that benefits will be given based on colour as well.

At least that's one rational.

I am sorry. I didn't know you suffered from so much discrimination.




"society prefers" is a meaningless ****ing term, and AA is hardly providing any solution to this problem.

[Az]

Laz, we're talking principally here. This article was just something to build a discussion upon.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Azazel

Try being black and looking for a summer job. Many people would reject you from the beggining. So, since drawbacks come based on skin colour in western societies, it is only natural that benefits will be given based on colour as well.

At least that's one rational.

I am sorry. I didn't know you suffered from so much discrimination.




"society prefers" is a meaningless ****ing term, and AA is hardly providing any solution to this problem.

So would you like studies or articles?

Not meaningless at all, if that's what it prefers.

A reportage springs to mind about exactly such a thing.

[Az]

"Society prefers white people over black people!"



There are instances of discrimination, without doubt. But you don't solve discrimination by putting more discrimination. You solve the issue by changing the nature of society, not placing some fake restraints that only incite discomfort.

[Bereta_Eder]

I never said "society prefers white people over black people".
I said that it's proven to be more difficult to get for example a summer job if you're black.

If you want to translate this to: society prefers, feel free.

[Combat Ingrid]

I don't see what's the problem with this. Apparently, this group of kids consistently perform very poorly and will thus simply be paid extra attention to give them a better chance in life. It's not like they will stop teaching the kids from more sophisticated ethnic groups.

[Az]

. It's not like they will stop teaching the kids from more sophisticated ethnic groups.

How are "ethnic groups" connected to the level of sophistication?

[Bereta_Eder]

I think this is called "irony" Az. Notice the rolling eyes as well