$246 million lawsuit against makers of GTA3!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
It ain't the game

It's the parents

yah right. Princess of the Mark went over to our neighbors, who have a boy her age. She didnt want to go there afterwards - "he only wants to play this real violent video game, where you drive around and shoot peope" "princess, was it called Vice City?" "Daddy, I dont know what it was called, it was stupid"


Well thank goodness for POTM - what the hell was I supposed to do - go over there with her, and see what games were played? what were present? Tell the other parents (themselves busy people, who probably decided they had to choose their battles and werent going to fight their son on this one - that my daughter couldnt go over there cause they had Vice City) . All the "its the parents" comments strike me as coming from another planet - probably the planet of the childless

Note this does not mean I believe these games cause violence. I dont know. The fact that Japan has lots of violent video games but little gun violence strikes me as a relevant fact. But it also strikes me that alot of the defence of these games is as reflexive as the attack on them.

BTW, isn't Vice City rated for mature audiences?

[lord of the mark]

By the way, I dont expect our neighbor kid to ever shoot people, or go around trying to run over people with a car.


So that means its harmless? He may yet have a more violent personality, bully kids in school, or, alternatively, get depressed.

Or maybe he'll get his aggression out and feel less depressed.

But simply asserting that millions play, hardly any kill, ergo its harmless to youngsters, strikes me as missing the point.

[FrostyBoy]

monkey's shouldn't be playing video games

[rixxe]

I don't understand why their parents are still free.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
I'm surprised no one has sued Tom Clancy for 9/11. He presented the idea to crash Jumbo Jets into US goverment buildings already in 1994 in the novel "Debt of Honour". I bet he has plenty of money that some lawyer would just love to take away from him.

Thanks!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
But simply asserting that millions play, hardly any kill, ergo its harmless to youngsters, strikes me as missing the point.

And what would the point be?

[Kropotkin]

'Personal responsibility' and 'free will' are things of the past. Let the reallocation of monetary resources through arbitrary lawsuits commence!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
'Personal responsibility' and 'free will' are things of the past. Let the reallocation of monetary resources through arbitrary lawsuits commence!

These are minors - folks who are not allowed to enter into contracts, to buy alcohol or tobacco, to choose to drop out of school, to marry without parental consent, etc. Our legal system in general does NOT consider them personally responsible in the same way as adults. (in many states they can be tried for crimes as adults, but thats rather controversial)

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


These are minors - folks who are not allowed to enter into contracts, to buy alcohol or tobacco, to choose to drop out of school, to marry without parental consent, etc. Our legal system in general does NOT consider them personally responsible in the same way as adults. (in many states they can be tried for crimes as adults, but thats rather controversial)

Aparently their parents aren't considered personally responsible, either.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs

It's called "Lack of personal responsibility and parental supervision."

Parental supervision - vis a vis the guns, or the game playing?

[Kropotkin]

LoTM: Yeah, that's good. Take my post seriously.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Osweld


Aparently their parents aren't considered personally responsible, either.

The parents locked the guns up (Article doesnt say how the kids got them)

Are you suggesting that teenagers should be monitored by their parents 24 hours a day?

Or are you suggesting that no family with minors in the house should be allowed to own guns?

Or are you suggesting that parents who allow their children to play violent video games, like Vice City, should be held liable for their childrens violent acts?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


The parents locked the guns up (Article doesnt say how the kids got them)

Are you suggesting that teenagers should be monitored by their parents 24 hours a day?

Or are you suggesting that no family with minors in the house should be allowed to own guns?

Or are you suggesting that parents who allow their children to play violent video games, like Vice City, should be held liable for their childrens violent acts?

I'm suggesting that parents shouldn't raise murderers.

These kids didn't see a problem in taking a gun and randomly shooting at cars. You can't say that's because they played a video game, or because the guns wheren't locked up, it is because of who they are - and the biggest determining factor in that is the parenting.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Osweld


I'm suggesting that parents shouldn't raise murderers.

These kids didn't see a problem in taking a gun and randomly shooting at cars. You can't say that's because they played a video game, or because the guns wheren't locked up, it is because of who they are - and the biggest determining factor in that is the parenting.

we really dont know that - some of what we are is genetic, some is due to parenting, some is outside influences of all types. And parenting mistakes come in all kinds - you can raise a kid in a way that sets them off, using a method you thought worked. Some kids who have parents who teach them to be moral go bad. It seems a bit presumptious to assume that the parents "raised murderers" IE that they didnt teach them right from wrong.

Ever raised a kid, Osweld?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


we really dont know that - some of what we are is genetic, some is due to parenting, some is outside influences of all types. And parenting mistakes come in all kinds - you can raise a kid in a way that sets them off, using a method you thought worked. Some kids who have parents who teach them to be moral go bad. It seems a bit presumptious to assume that the parents "raised murderers" IE that they didnt teach them right from wrong.

Ever raised a kid, Osweld?

Notice how I said "the biggest determining factor" instead of "the only factor"?

But regardles, since the children aren't considered responsible by law, that means their parents have to be. Otherwise, who the hell's responsible? (oh right, the video game. )