What exactly is a "gay-friedly"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Today, the gays are among the best accepted minority in western countries, yet it is the moment they choose to have "gay-only" conventions (see some Blackice's thread), where gay flags are clearly displayed in the streets etc.

Who live in a world where the dominant religions all call them evil. Identity politics isn't about being better than everyone else. It's about not being the dog**** someone scrapes off their shoe in the grass while cursing.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's more than that. Heterosexist ideologies say that men and women have certain defined roles, and that people who act outside those roles should be punished, supressed, ostracized, etc. Saying that women can't be combat soldiers is an example of heterosexism. Saynig that homosexuality is immoral is an example of heterosexism. Saying boys can't cry is an example of heterosexism.

The reason I think the word is superior to homophobia is a) people aren't afraid of gays and lesbians, and two, it ties the repression of homosexuality into sexism and the whole notion of what "proper" roles are for men and women. Homophobia isn't seperate from sexism, but is an aspect of it.

I disagree -- heterosexism is not a concept that should replace homophobia.

AND, I disagree, in that many heterosexuals ARE indeed fearful of homosexuals in that they perceive us as setting out to destroy societal values that are anachronistic in today's society.

And a number of closeted homosexuals are homophobic and are fearful of their own sexual orientation and wish to deny or repress it, even through violent means on other homosexuals.

I also disagree with your idea of including gender superiority ideology in the concept of heterosexism, since sexual orientation and gender are two distinct concepts.

Woman and man are gendered concepts -- homosexual and heterosexual are sexaul orientation concepts. Two separate things. Which is why we have the word sexism when concerning gender, and heterosexism when concering sexual orientation.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
I disagree

Tough titty. I was using the term before you even knew you were gay.

[Japher]

AND, I disagree, in that many heterosexuals ARE indeed fearful of homosexuals in that they perceive us as setting out to destroy societal values that are anachronistic in today's society.

As a conservative republican I never understood this stance by my peers... It is so BS it makes me puke. What the hell are societal values anyway and how has homosexuality contributed to it's decay? Damn. I can think of about a billion other reasons why the nuclear family no longer exists... I really don't think homosexuality is responsible for all of the broken families, drug addicts, felons, and wastes of spaces in this country... I blame Clinton!

[Az]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Tough titty. I was using the term before you even knew you were gay.

Seriously, MrFun, I don't that that a heterosexual relationship is morally equivalent to a homosexual one, at least not potentially. Of course, not all relationships live to their full potential, but that's a different question.

Does that mean that I think that straight people are better than gay people? NO.

People are men/women first, and homosexual/heterosexual only much later. You cannot define yourself as 'gay' before defining yourself as 'male'.

[Japher]

People are men/women first, and homosexual/heterosexual only much later. You cannot define yourself as 'gay' before defining yourself as 'male'.

I think you just identified the main reason behind all of societies problems: They identify with a single social factor of themselves and not with the whole of themselves...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Tough titty. I was using the term before you even knew you were gay.

I was hoping to continue our discussion -- you don't have any counter-arguments to my arguments?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Japher


I think you just identified the main reason behind all of societies problems: They identify with a single social factor of themselves and not with the whole of themselves...

I'm a white cracker of German descent from both sides, an inactive Christian, a graduate student, a man, and I'm gay.


Being gay is not the only aspect of me that I appreciate -- that would be unhealthy and distort my self-concept.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
I was hoping to continue our discussion -- you don't have any counter-arguments to my arguments?

I feeling playful now.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Japher
Gay-friendly = putting up with MrFun

Yeah, yeah . . . .

I love you too, Japher.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MrFun


I'm a white cracker of German descent from both sides, an inactive Christian, a graduate student, a man, and I'm gay.

Looks like being gay is the least of your problems.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I feeling playful now.

Well MrFun says the fun is over!!

[Japher]

I didn't say it was your problem MrFun.

But finding solace in gay communities will turn being gay into problem for you everywhere else you turn. Then we will find you at the steps of some capitol building demanding to be heard, when the whole time you were doing your best to be overlooked.

People who only identify with a group based on race, creed, color, or sexual preference ussually end up becoming the problem instead of becoming the solution... Though there are some great groups that do encourage diversity, freedoms, and those other things the ACLU is suppose to represent but doesnt, most do not...

[MrFun]

Well thank God I don't have that problem -- just ask my straight friends, Japher.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun


Well MrFun says the fun is over!!

Don't you wave that thing at me while I'm sticking my tonggue at you. I don't know where you've been!