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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


    Just where have I said that?

    I ask again, how am I being discriminatory? I ask the same for everyone. Everyone ought to be able to marry someone of the opposite sex.
    You're deliberately distorting the argument here.


    Everyone ought to be allowed to marry someone of the opposite gender, or someone of the same gender.

    If the Catholic Church cannot adapt to contemporary society, then the government should enact legal recognition of a more secular, civil union between people of the same gender.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    • #47
      if you guys can have gay pride parades, i don't see why straight people can't celebrate traditional family values?!
      "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

      "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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      • #48
        Kaak -- there are straight people who families or friends of gays at Gay Pride events all the time.


        Here, Bush is deliberately stating that non-heterosexuals are incapable of appreciating family values, thus, excluding them from mainstream society.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #49
          Everyone ought to be allowed to marry someone of the opposite gender, or someone of the same gender.

          If the Catholic Church cannot adapt to contemporary society, then the government should enact legal recognition of a more secular, civil union between people of the same gender.
          why would our government want to do this? it isn't necessarily for the good of society(not that it is bad either). But there if there isn't some motivating factor for it, it likely won't get done.
          "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

          "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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          • #50
            I hate cross-posts.

            Kaak, I responded to your post before your latest one.
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #51
              bah...you can support traditional family values. i'm pretty sure most gay people have mothers or fathers or brothers or sisters, maybe aunts or uncles. The point is, you have a family.
              "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

              "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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              • #52
                They use the words "traditional values" to exclude non-heterosexuals from mainstream society. That is, to exclude non-heterosexuals from legal recognition of creating their own, new family.

                They hypocritically attack non-heterosexuals for not conforming to mainstream societal norms, then at the same time they seek to exclude non-heterosexuals from mainstream society, preventing them from embracing mainstream values.

                How do you justify that??
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #53
                  the great part about this is that i don't have to justify it, i didn't do it

                  but for your piece of mind, this can't be what sloww was talking about, the dates don't match up
                  "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

                  "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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                  • #54
                    Kaak -- read the entire thread. He corrected me on that awhile ago now.
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #55
                      Oh, and one other thing -- about your point of non-heterosexuals already having a family with the one they were born in??

                      Many non-heterosexuals are disowned by their family, or alienated from their family in one form or another.
                      And those who are still accpeted by their family, such as in my case, feel particularly fortunate that we are loved by our family.

                      In some ways, non-heterosexuals who are accepted by their biological family, have a stronger sense of family values than those who rip families apart over the issue of sexual orientation.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #56
                        Many non-heterosexuals are disowned by their family, or alienated from their family in one form or another.
                        And those who are still accpeted by their family, such as in my case, feel particularly fortunate that we are loved by our family.
                        Well, one of those traditionaly family values that you abhor us celebrating is unconditional love for family members...

                        Aristotle said it best, not everyone is cut out for being a parent...
                        "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

                        "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Q Cubed
                          it's divorces, idiots.
                          Yeah, we should make women stay in unhappy marriages with abusives spouses!
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Kaak


                            Well, one of those traditionaly family values that you abhor us celebrating is unconditional love for family members...

                            Aristotle said it best, not everyone is cut out for being a parent...
                            DUH


                            My point was that many non-heterosexuals DO value unconditional love, but that those same people who appeal to so-called "traditional" family values do NOT value unconditional love, when they tear their own families apart over a family member who is non-hetero.

                            Unconditional love is very important.
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • #59
                              Why is it, that at times like this, it seems I'm the only non-heterosexual Apolytoner who cares about issues concerning non-heterosexuals?
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                              • #60
                                I'm hoping that this does not throw society backwards by 50 years . . .
                                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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