Schwarzenneger molested women, apologizes

[Ned]

Arnold did. Clinton did not. Arnie's wife was today praising him to the heavens. Clinton's wife wrote a book to explain just how much Bill had broken her heart.

There is a difference between Arnold and Clinton here. A remarkable difference. The question is, does confessing and apologizing give one a higher degree of confidence than one who denies, denies, denies, and smears, smears and smears again?

No doubt Arnie had to apologize. So did Clinton. But Clinton never did. As a result, he was justifiably impeached, IMHO, and should have done some jail time as well.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I'm not sure I follow your logic, Ned. Are you suggesting that, faced with an unsubstantiated accusation, a politician should admit guilt and apologise regardless of whether the allegations are true or not?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Just another point. Would Saint Ahhhnuhld would have freely confessed to these serial gropes had the objections not been made?

Is he sorry he sexually assaulted women, or sorry he got caught?

[spartak]

More to the point there is no doubt that Arnie has behaved unacceptably to women and there is still doubt about Bill. Its all irrelevant anyway. can you just confirm for the record that you think someone who molests women is fit to represent people.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Exactly. If he worked for my employer, he'd be sacked. Why should US public office be considered suitable for persons such as that?

[Drake Tungsten]

Well, to be fair, politicians are already the scum of the earth, so I don't think Arnie is going to dirty the pool anymore. Bob Packwood already finished the job.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I'm not sure I follow your logic, Ned. Are you suggesting that, faced with an unsubstantiated accusation, a politician should admit guilt and apologise regardless of whether the allegations are true or not?

Yes, if it is true. If it is not true, of course fight. There will be a criminal complaint and a trial. However, with the president of the united states, the is no way to file a criminal or civil complaint. He is immune, except for impeachment. But the Democrat party has determined that sexual harrassment is not serious and will not vote to unseat a president because of such allegations.

Which goes back to my original point is that the Democrats are now suggesting that Arnie the molester is not qualified to be governor where just a few years ago sexual misconduct and lying about it under oath was a "private matter."

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Hell, that's politics. Trying to find an appealing politician is like bobbing for sweetcorn in a sewage treatment plant.

[Saint Marcus]

Of course he did. It is tragic that you live in denial.

Clinton raped women?

you actually believe that?

geez.


Now, do you have some proof to back up your claim that Clinton actually raped a woman? I'm anxious to hear it.

Just a word to the wise. Most women will have your head if you say you do not believe their contentions about being molested or assaulted. This is not a joking matter to women. Not at all.

dozens upon dozens upon dozens of women say they've been raped by public figures (actors, politicians, athletes) just to get attention, and to sell their "stories" for millions of dollars to The Sun, Fox, or some other form of rag journalism. Those women disgust me. And no, it's not a joking matter to them. It's big business.

That doesn't mean there aren't women who are raped by public figures, I'm just sceptical of those who go to the press before going to the police. If they're going to the police at all.

But the Democrat party has determined that sexual harrassment is not serious and will not vote to unseat a president because of such allegations.

Sure, and all Republicans were in favor?

just a few years ago sexual misconduct and lying about it under oath was a "private matter."

Clinton didn't molest Monica. Monica herself even said so. And therefor yes, it's a private matter.

[Ned]

Saint Marcus, you are just too much.

The real question is why many women keep quiet when a powerful figure like Bill Clinton rapes them.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

"Like" being the key point, because you aren't accusing Clinton of being a rapist, are you?

In any event, again I think you're raising points with very little in the way of factual grounding.

[Saint Marcus]

The real question is why many women keep quiet when a powerful figure like Bill Clinton rapes them.

we're still waiting for your "proof" that Clinton raped women.

Troll.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Ned
one who denies, denies, denies

Wait - who are you talking about here, Arnold or Bill? Remember, until forced to admit otherwise, Arnold also denied there was anything to it. He was maintaining that it was just some crazy things he made up for the Oui interview, you know, just to get a little publicity.

Ned, do you think he would have apologized if he hadn't been forced to?

Originally posted by Lazarus
In any event, again I think you're raising points with very little in the way of factual grounding.

C'mon, that's never stopped Ned before!

Originally posted by St Marcus
We're still waiting for your "proof" that Clinton raped women.

Ned doesn't need proof for things he knows are true.

[Saint Marcus]

Ned doesn't need proof for things he knows are true.

so he's just Fezzing?

[Ned]

On last night's Geraldo Rivera show, Geraldo raised the issue of liberal hypocrisy of complaining about Schwarzenegger while excusing Bill Clinton. Geraldo had several guests including the president of NOW, Arrianna Huffington and a Republican Congressman.

The president of NOW said that the difference between Bill Clinton and Schwarzenegger was that Schwarzenegger acknowledged his guilt and apologized, while Clinton did not admit he had ever done anything wrong nor did he apologize. She said feminists should recognize the acknowledgement and the apology and accept it. She said that she was going to vote for Arnold as a feminist and as a Democrat.

Huffington said the difference between Bill Clinton and Schwarzenegger was that one was a "private" matter involving consent while the other involved unwanted touching. When Geraldo asked whether she was referring to the Monica Lewinsky affair, Huffington said yes. When Geraldo then asked about all the other alleged events that were brought up against Bill Clinton including the Roderick rape, the Jones sexual-harassment, and Kathleen Willey molestation, Huffington said the difference was that Arnold had admitted his misconduct. She then went back on message and continued to attack Arnold.

Anyone reviewing is this thread will recognize Huffington in the remarks of the supporters of Bill Clinton.