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**DanS** · December 7, 2003, 01:03

If USC is #1 in the polls, but doesn't get to participate in the championship game, that would be fun! TCO would have enough controversy to last him for years.

**GhengisFarb™** · December 7, 2003, 01:12

ESPN has been talking up USC versus LSU after the OU loss. They have been pretty straight forward about Oklahoma not deserving to have bid after losing to K State. Not that I'm arguing OU deserves to be in the Sugar Bowl. They slacked off their last two games.

They have gotten into the rut of not playing up to their full potentional after being accused of running up the score and I think it kind of bit them in the butt for this last game.

**Drake Tungsten** · December 7, 2003, 01:51

Wow. I really wish I could've seen that game.

**Guynemer** · December 7, 2003, 01:54

Hmmm... how could be solve this puzzle...

perhaps some sort of "playoff" type system... whatdaya think, Drake?

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 7, 2003, 02:24

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Where are all you people who just a few weeks ago said OU was 'unbeatable' and laughed at me for saying USC had a chance to beat Oklahoma.

Once again, I get the last laugh

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And this was GREAT! Shows how ****ed the BCS is. This was the situation the BCS wanted to avoid at all costs. OU will probably end up going to the Sugar Bowl, even though both USC and LSU won their conference while OU did not.

Once again the BCS will be shown to be BS.

Now do you see why the two situations aren't comparable?

Then why did people call for Ron Zook's head at UF when they were 3-3? I mean, it was Spurrier's players. Of course it is comparable! If you think the guy can't recruit that well help him there.

However, he has shown himself to be a good coach. Last year, Nebraska was mediocre, which drives Solich's after 4 years numbers down, but with SOLICH'S players, Nebraska went 9-3! Under your argument, Solich is responsible for a 9-3 year, recruiting and coaching wise.

Hmmm... how could be solve this puzzle...

perhaps some sort of "playoff" type system... whatdaya think, Drake?

**GhengisFarb™** · December 7, 2003, 03:17

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Where are all you people who just a few weeks ago said OU was 'unbeatable' and laughed at me for saying USC had a chance to beat Oklahoma.

I said OU looked unbeatable as long as they played the way they were playing. They didn't seem to be putting forth the effort in this game. They were constantly missing catches by being just a little to far behind or letting K State out scramble them for the ball. Not the OU of earlier.

And USC still hasn't beaten Oklahoma.

Although they mentioned playing the Bowls by their traditional methods and then having a title game AFTER all the bowls on ESPN. Might not be a bad alternative since the NCAA wants to keep Division I as the only football system without a playoff.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 7, 2003, 03:19

And USC still hasn't beaten Oklahoma.

You can't argue that they don't have a chance to beat OU though.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 7, 2003, 03:23

And you can make the argument that K-State beat down Oklahoma and not Oklahoma beating themselves. After all, they did let up 230+ yards to Sproul. That by itself would have killed them.

**PLATO** · December 7, 2003, 03:28

PLATO's predictions:

Sugar: LSU vs. Oklahoma

Rose: USC vs. Michigan

Orange: Miami vs, Kansas State

Fiesta: Florida State vs. Texas

Anybody else got any predictions??

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 7, 2003, 03:53

My predicts:

Sugar: USC v. Oklahoma
Rose: Michigan v. LSU
Orange: Miami v. Ohio State
Fiesta: Florida State v. Kansas State

I had Texas listed, but I just read something saying NO conference can have more than TWO teams in the BCS bowls. So Texas is out.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 7, 2003, 04:03

So this is what the BCS bowls MUST have:

Big XII: Kansas State
Big 10: Michigan (in the Rose Bowl)
Big East: Miami
ACC: Florida State
Pac 10: USC
SEC: LSU

Then two at large teams, but no more than two teams can come from a single conference. Oklahoma is guarenteed to be one at-large. I bet the other will be Ohio State. If not Ohio State, then Tennessee.

**PLATO** · December 7, 2003, 04:16

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I had Texas listed, but I just read something saying NO conference can have more than TWO teams in the BCS bowls. So Texas is out.

It seems I do remember something like that. Okay...Updated Predictions.

Sugar: LSU vs. Oklahoma

Rose: USC vs. Michigan

Fiesta: Florida State vs. Kansas State

Orange: Miami vs. Ohio State

**PLATO** · December 7, 2003, 04:26

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
If not Ohio State, then Tennessee.

Just don't see Tenneesee in the mix because of having played Miami already this year. The only hope Tennesse has would be for USC/Oklahoma Sugar bowl. Then I can see a slim chance of:

Rose: Florida State vs. Michigan

Orange: LSU vs. Miami

Fiesta: Tennessee vs. Kansas State

Tennesse would have to go to eithier the Rose or Fiesta because I can't imagine the Orange Bowl taking anybody over Miami. That would pit TN against eithier Michigan or Kansas State(assuming that Fiesta ends up with KState, which seems logical). The most likely match up here would be Kansas State.

**Drake Tungsten** · December 7, 2003, 09:04

Hmmm... how could be solve this puzzle...

perhaps some sort of "playoff" type system... whatdaya think, Drake?

How would a playoff solve this? You still have to determine which of the numerous two-loss teams gets a shot at the title and which don't. You just move the decision-making farther down the line. No, I'd much rather keep this system and all the fun that goes with it.

Under your argument, Solich is responsible for a 9-3 year, recruiting and coaching wise.

Yeah, a 9-3 year that saw a 4th quarter meltdown of epic proportions at Missouri and blowouts versus Texas and K-State, including the worst loss at home since before Bob Devaney took over. Solich was responsible for that, so I don't feel at all guilty about letting him go. Nebraska should be doing better.

**Drake Tungsten** · December 7, 2003, 09:37

At least Pete Carroll, coach of USC, knows what college football is all about...

Carroll acknowledged his disappointment, then explained it away.

"We lost a darn game," he said, standing amid the detritus of a postgame locker room. On Sept. 27, USC lost at California, 34-31, in triple overtime. "If we hadn't lost a game, we'd be already in. We left the door open for some issue. That's why I've been able to handle this. I've felt like that the whole way through. I'm still pissed we lost a game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=1680114

The man is exactly right. All these teams ****ed up and let their fate slip out of their hands. Now they should just shut up and find out where the system sends them. If they're lucky, they'll get an unearned shot at the national title. If they aren't, well, they might still get to play in the Rose Bowl. Not that bad a deal, really.

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