Why Do Geeks Get All Irate About Microsoft?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Neutrino
Microsoft is a godsend for the mainstream PC user (who is mostly computer-illiterate).. except for the occasional stability issues.

Occasional?

That is like saying "AIDS may be fatal."

Two big things missing from MS software: stability and reliability. That's why you need mobs more support technicans for a MS shop.

[Asher]

UR, why don't you explain to all the Windows XP users why their OS is unstable, since they'd probably have some questions for you about that seeing as crashes are extremely rare...

You need to get with the times, man -- Linux geeks have stopped complaining about stability and are now complaining about privacy and price. They've switched focus from one bull**** tactic to the next, once they realized that the stability issue is easily debunked by fact whereas the privacy issue can play on people's deep suspicions of large corporations, regardless of fact.

Or maybe you weren't bright enough to recognize the transition.

[Harovan]

I find this discussion mildly amusing and will gladly continue lurking, but...

Or maybe you weren't bright enough to recognize the transition.

... you know, what resorting to personal insults usually means about your success in the argument, don't you?

[geeslaka]

Asher, people have good reason to be suspicious of large corporations. Look what was happening in the early 1900s.

[Asher]

What argument? UR just trolls and flees once people start debunking him, I've given up rational arguments with him.

Anyone who has seen enough of the tech threads knows that.

[Asher]

Originally posted by geeslaka
Asher, people have good reason to be suspicious of large corporations. Look what was happening in the early 1900s.

That's not what the argument is, nor is it my point.

People do have a fear of large corporations, I never said anything about if it's a good reason to or not. Just that they do.

Grr to people who don't know how to read.

[MattH]

Hi,
We read your arguement,

They've switched focus from one bull**** tactic to the next, once they realized that the stability issue is easily debunked by fact whereas the privacy issue can play on people's deep suspicions of large corporations, regardless of fact

You specifically say that mentioning large corporations (in relation to conspiracy/privacy) is bull****...

[Inverse Icarus]

i'm going to go with the fact that unix (and inheretedly linux) was created by programmers, for programmers.

it isn't pretty, it isn't easy, but when it works, it works awesomely.

compared to *nix, windows is easy to learn, and therefore the geeks who were probably trampled upon by highschool politics feel like they are better than windows users, often referring to them as "sheep".

[Asher]

Originally posted by MattH
Hi,
We read your arguement,

You specifically say that mentioning large corporations (in relation to conspiracy/privacy) is bull****...

Actually if you read it again, you'll see it says bull**** tactic.

That doesn't say anything about whether their fear is well-grounded or not.

There is quite a large difference, let's see if you can figure out what that is.

[MattH]

People do have a fear of large corporations, I never said anything about if it's a good reason to or not. Just that they do.

Sounded contradictory. That's what caused my comment.

[Q Classic]

AUGH!!!!!!!!

we ordered ms win server 2k3 enterprise × 6 three months ago, and microsoft didn't send anything for 2 and a half months. then we got a media kit, but it was all volume license crap, stuff we already had. so they remedied it by sending out our order, except the package we got had entourage for mac...
which we never ordered, don't need, and can't use.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
UR, why don't you explain to all the Windows XP users why their OS is unstable, since they'd probably have some questions for you about that seeing as crashes are extremely rare...

You should stop rolling your eyes, because your smilies aren't doing you much good and your eyes may just fall off from your eye sockets.

Anyway, would you explain to those XP users why there is this Blaster worm making the rounds?

You also seems to be forgetting that, in the real world, XP boxes are in the minority. Companies can't be arsed to upgrade every 2 years for "features" they don't need.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Originally posted by Asher You need to get with the times, man -- Linux geeks have stopped complaining about stability and are now complaining about privacy and price. They've switched focus from one bull**** tactic to the next, once they realized that the stability issue is easily debunked by fact whereas the privacy issue can play on people's deep suspicions of large corporations, regardless of fact.

Actually, the argument isn't "MS stuff used to be unstable. Then they fixed that problem. Now we can't figure out anything else so we'll just say that MS stuff is just evil," it's "MS stuff used to be unstable. Then they fixed that problem, but while doing that, also became more 'just evil' than before". I'm sure you've seen http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm. It does not say "Windows 98 Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going". That document consists mostly of whining, yes, but what is true in it is enough to show that the switch from one discussion tactic to another was not done only because the original became largely invalid. It was because the new tactic had become more valid than before.

BTW, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=80016

[Q Classic]

Anyway, would you explain to those XP users why there is this Blaster worm making the rounds?

because a) ms windows is the most common os in the world; the nt codebase is slowly becoming the majority, which is where the rpc flaw is in. b) the nt codebase is primarily used in servers and networking in professional situations, meaning that they usually have access to broadband internet and are critical to the smooth operation of the internet. c) o.e. you've got idiot users who click every single damn attachment, whether it's from a friend or not.

You also seems to be forgetting that, in the real world, XP boxes are in the minority. Companies can't be arsed to upgrade every 2 years for "features" they don't need.

XP boxes are in the minority. NT-based boxes are not.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
because a) ms windows is the most common os in the world; the nt codebase is slowly becoming the majority, which is where the rpc flaw is in.

With flaws like that, how could one assert that said OS(es) are stable and reliable? Where do you get gall like that? Where can I buy some?

Originally posted by Q Cubed
c) o.e. you've got idiot users who click every single damn attachment, whether it's from a friend or not.

This is pretty much just tangentally related, the problem here is again MS putting in "features" people hardly use. Do you use macros in MS Office? How many people you know use macros in MS Office?

Originally posted by Q Cubed
XP boxes are in the minority. NT-based boxes are not.

That's right, and NT boxes are not that stable, just more so than Windows 9x.