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  • #76
    I don't know. From LA it seems that the rest of the country is pretty conservative - and conservatives have been consolidating and rallying their appeal lately. Fox news is just one of the symptoms - what about the radio talk shows ? what about all those "lets return to our values" cries ? Patriot Act anyone ?

    Even intellectually, the right has been making a comeback in universities, where more and more "compassionate, Bu****e" conservatives are diluting the traditionally liberal strongholds. It is becoming increasingly fashionable to be conservative in places that previously would not even have a "Young Republicans" club.
    Napoleon I

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    • #77
      Conservatism is not an indicator for any of the things that Hershell mentioned.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #78
        Originally posted by DanS

        Besides, if you call Faux News rabidly jingoistic, you don't know real jingoism.
        What qualifies as real jingoism then? Nazism?
        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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        • #79
          Originally posted by DanS
          Conservatism is not an indicator for any of the things that Hershell mentioned.
          The rise of the extreme right is.
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #80
            How about we put the Japanese in concentration camps?
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #81
              The rise of the extreme right is.
              The extreme right isn't rising. That's silly.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #82
                Conservative agenda is typically driven by the things Hershell mentioned. In fact conservativism and things like religious fundamentalism, nationalist propaganda, and police powers all seem to be closely related - do you think its an accident that both McCarty and Judge Moore of Alabama (of Ten Commandments monument fame) are both Republicans and conservatives?
                Napoleon I

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                • #83
                  "The extreme right isn't rising."

                  Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld would qualify as "rechtsextrem" here. You just see the political spectrum in a different way.
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #84
                    Conservative agenda is typically driven by the things Hershell mentioned. In fact conservativism and things like religious fundamentalism, nationalist propaganda, and police powers all seem to be closely related - do you think its an accident that both McCarty and Judge Moore of Alabama (of Ten Commandments monument fame) are both Republicans and conservatives?
                    You just think that because you're a pinko liberal commie.

                    Anyway, you just proved my point. McCarthy wouldn't get a whit of support nowadays. Conservativism changed some planks in order to attract from the center.

                    Wonder what happened to the Christian Coalition anyway...
                    Last edited by DanS; August 31, 2003, 05:33.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #85
                      Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld would qualify as "rechtsextrem" here. You just see the political spectrum in a different way.


                      Ashcroft has been in high level politics for 30 years. Cheney has been at the highest levels of politics for 30 years as well. Rumsfeld even longer. None of these people have changed their basic thoughts over the time they have served.

                      This is getting tedious. Have any better examples?
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #86
                        What has their time in politics got to do with this?
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #87
                          You say that there has been a "rise of the extreme right", then give these guys as evidence. It just seems prudent to mention that these guys have been in power off and on since Methusela. They were already there. No need to "rise".
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #88
                            You just think that because you're a pinko liberal commie.
                            Slowly changing color from pink to angry red

                            The problem is, when conservativism changed planks it remained a wolf in sheep's clothing. Now that they have attracted voters from the center, the Republicans want to drag them back to 19th century policies.

                            And McCartyism, I wouldn't be so sure. A couple more terrorist attacks and questions like "Do you know any Arabs?" "Did you really visit that Mosque 7 years ago - who did you see there?" might begin to be asked.

                            Just a possibility to consider.
                            Napoleon I

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by DanS
                              It just seems prudent to mention that these guys have been in power off and on since Methusela.
                              Did they push the same politics with the same influence under Bush I?
                              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                              • #90
                                And McCartyism, I wouldn't be so sure. A couple more terrorist attacks and questions like "Do you know any Arabs?" "Did you really visit that Mosque 7 years ago - who did you see there?" might begin to be asked.
                                You mean, might begin again to be asked? The fact remains that Arabs are treated better in the US than the Jews. Such was not always the case. It's not even a comparison really. We're a much more tolerant society nowadays.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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