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  • #91
    Did they push the same politics with the same influence under Bush I?
    Of course. Remember that Cheney ran Gulf War I. The only person that was plused up in influence was Wolfowitz. But not much. Wolfowitz was in the Defense department in both Reagan and Bush I in fairly senior policy positions.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #92
      Why the comparason to Jews?

      The Bush administration has solidified two trends in US politics:

      Domestically, appeal to the affluent and affluent sympathisers at the expense of social programs and

      Internationally, maintain US unipolar status by any means necessary, force included.

      There you go - tax cuts for the first, military spending for the second, but both are essentially conservative programs very similar to those carried out by other superpowers.
      Napoleon I

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      • #93
        Why the comparason to Jews?
        Because they have roughly equivalent numbers now in the US. I also know the hate crimes statistics for both muslims and Jews, so could back it up when challenged on the subject.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #94
          Internationally, maintain US unipolar status by any means necessary, force included.
          I think you're imagining what you fear could be Bush's policies rather than what his policies actually are. Even the defense posture review that was bandied about doesn't mention the unipolar status. We could be a mere superpower and do all of the things that were mentioned in the document.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #95
            A superpower technically would be interested only in what is necessary to remain a superpower. The defense posture actually talks about "interests" in general, and since US de facto has interests everywhere now, the posture would imply that US will maintain its status wherever and whenever it is challenged. From the posture of the Bush administration it is clear that US will not tolerate any superpower that could potentially rise, since that is bound to affect some of the US "interests".

            Had US been one of two superpowers now, the defense posture would maintain that status. Since US is a unipolar - that position will be maintained by force.
            Napoleon I

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            • #96
              I don't get it. Why would a superpower not have interests as well? Why else be a superpower?

              And I might add, that right now our interests as defined in the defense posture are not being upheld universally by a long shot anyway.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #97
                Originally posted by DanS

                Of course. Remember that Cheney ran Gulf War I.
                And that was a very different story from the Iraq occupation this year.
                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                • #98
                  Well, all the tiles are still there, minus James Baker. You want me to proclaim some fictitious "rise of the right" because some of the tiles were moved around?
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #99
                    A superpower might have worldwide interests, but they would be checked by another superpower. A sole superpower without organized and unified opposition is de facto a unipolar, as US is today.

                    As for US interests, they are upheld just enough to keep the US in unipolar status - why go to greater lengths? Who cares about North Korea, as long as it's not a threat to US status?
                    Napoleon I

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                    • Originally posted by DanS
                      Well, all the tiles are still there, minus James Baker. You want me to proclaim some fictitious "rise of the right" because some of the tiles were moved around?
                      If you describe the difference between gulf war II and III as moving some tiles around, then again we're talking different realities to the extent that communication is impossible.
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • Well, what you want I should say?

                        Sure, they seem to have taken a closer look at the relative value of detterence. But they're the same group of folks. The only new face is an 80 year old secretary of defense who was secretary of defense several decades ago. Elected to Congress in 1962. Yep, that's a rise of the right alright.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • You don't think that they have become more radical, and wield more influence?
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • What's to say they weren't radical all along? Are we to say that they are more radical, just because they have a slightly different fact pattern in front of them?
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • If the US standards of living fall below (or equal) that of its European neighbours, it's likely there will be calls for military spending to be cut.

                              Of course, whether that will happen is a different issue.

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                              • If you use GDP per head as your guide then that will take a very long time to happen, as we european work 10% to 15% fewer hours than the average american and the number of hours worked here is falling whereas in the US the number of hours worked has been stable since the early 1970's (which makes the US the odd one out as hours are also falling in most of the rest of the developed world and have historically done so).

                                It's possible that the EU could beat US GDP per hour worked by 2030
                                19th Century Liberal, 21st Century European

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