Happy Pills

[Asher]

Originally posted by Feephi
This may sound harsh but it is the truth. Take it from someone who tried every anti-depressant + therapy in the 90's. THe answers to your depression are, always have been, always will be, in your own head.

The answers to your depression was in your own head -- what the hell makes you think you can extrapolate that to everyone else?

Just because you had psychologically-induced depression doesn't mean everyone else does.

Obviously you're psychologically not all that apt to begin with, if you're truly incapable of thinking people have fundamentally different problems that can all result in some kind of depression, and various treatments work for different causes of it.

If somebody's having a seizure, do you just look at them and say "Stop that...if I had a seizure, I'd just stop doing it!"

[Q Classic]

i used to be on wellbutrin, back when i was with a shrink i liked.

now this new one, whom i hate, has put me on lexapro. i've never had side effects with any drug i've taken, but this one makes me dizzy something fierce when i wake up in the morning.

[Q Classic]

as for depression. mine's chemical. and a relapse.

i tried toughing it out again (the previous episode, i did, and everything worked out)... but this time i couldn't. two quarters of school, down the fcuking drain, unable to work, unable really leave the dorm, losing all sense of time, unable to do basic hygenic duties like laundry or dishes... unable to function much at all... almost five months, unable and unwilling to ask anyone, even friends, for assistance.

wasn't situational. everything was going fine. it was chemical.

toughing it out doesn't always work. so unless you've gone through it, no offence, but shut your pie hole.

[Brundlefly]

Originally posted by Asher

The answers to your depression was in your own head -- what the hell makes you think you can extrapolate that to everyone else?

Would it be so terrible for you or anyone else to find out that there is another path out of depression besides your method of having a therapist lead you around by the nose while you emptied your pockets to him and the pharmacist?

What makes you think that your point of view is any more valid than mine? Are you an expert on depression? I qualified my experience with psych drugs by saying in my post, "this was my own experience".

I believe if a depressed person considers my point of view, this will save them a lot of money with drugs and therapy, and they will enjoy life more than if they take your advice. Do you always get this angry when people disagree with you?

A therapist will be only too happy to prescribe you the latest depression drug just to see how it works on you. Most of the time they cant be sure what long-term effects the drug will have on you because they will prescribe it for you as soon as it is released to the public. I've had many therapists tell me in the past, "Well we're not sure exactly what this drug does, but we find that it helps sometimes when we combine it with this other drug. So take both of them. " Many of these psych drugs also have side-effects, you must consider. So why be their guinea-pig when you can realize that you have the power within yourself to turn your life around without emptying your pockets to these "experts".

Obviously you're psychologically not all that apt to begin with, if you're truly incapable of thinking people have fundamentally different problems that can all result in some kind of depression, and various treatments work for different causes of it.

There's really no need to make personal attacks, here Asher. I never suggested your way does not work. But realize that my way works too. The fact of the matter is, whether you come out of the depression with drugs+therapy or without, you'll still have to master the 6 points I listed at the bottom of my last post to keep the depression away. IMHO, of course..

[Asher]

Originally posted by Feephi
Would it be so terrible for you or anyone else to find out that there is another path out of depression besides your method of having a therapist lead you around by the nose while you emptied your pockets to him and the pharmacist?

Listen: I've suffered from depression and social anxiety disorder since at least around age 10. I've tried everything you listed, for years, and it never worked for me.

When I realized how much of my life I was wasting by being a hermit and constantly anxious, I went to my doctor and asked for help.

Tried therapy, which was a joke and didn't help.

Tried medication, and it did work, and it worked very well.

What makes you think that your point of view is any more valid than mine?

Because yours is so blatantly wrong that anyone with a clue about how depression works would dismiss it outright. Some people can pull themselves out like how you described, others can't.

Frankly, it's downright insulting for people like you to tell people who are on medication that they should just "pull themselves out of it". It's ignorant, it's insensitive, and it's simply stupid.

You obviously don't understand what it's like to live in a depressive and anxious hellhole for many years, while attempting to pull yourself out with no success...

Do you always get this angry when people disagree with you?

I'm angry because you disagree with me without understanding anything about what you're talking about. Stupidity angers me like nothing else, and that's all you've shown. Further, you act like a **** with an (intentional or not) veiled insult implying people who are on medication aren't smart enough to know to try to pull themselves out of their depressive hole before seeking help.

Get off your high horse, accept that what works for you won't work for everyone else.

[C0ckney]

asher might be happier, but the drugs haven't done anything for his complete twatishness :/

[Solly]

The answer to depression to taking people's advice, and doing something with your life. Usually depression is caused by not having enough to do. I've been there.

Get a friggin hobby (something that involves others), even if it something you are crap at now. You'll get better and it'll be much more rewarding that working seven hours a day then going on Poly or playing Civ for seven hours, then sleeping.

[Asher]

I'm not the one trolling a thread about someone seeking help with bull**** about how everyone can pull themselves out of a depression. That is twatish.

I'm angry because if I listened to people like that, I'd still be miserable and lonely.

[MikeH]

Asher's right.

Doctors here do have a tendency to go straight to pills rather than considering the other options though and different things work for different people as Asher said. Being depressed is one of the worst things ever, anything that works for you is better.

[Jac de Molay]

toughing it out doesn't always work. so unless you've gone through it, no offence, but shut your pie hole.

I don't think anyone disagrees with you. But the problem is that these are prescribed like candy even though all other alternatives haven't been exhausted.

Prozac is now one of the most prescribed drugs. That tells me that it's not a chemical thing, but a society thing. Is it now up to the medical community to come up with more powerful drugs to counteract the ever-increasing pressures of society? Or do people need to be willing to make life-choices, like time for meditation, exercise, and proper diet, as investments in themselves as opposed to money, school, or career?

I think the fact that SSRI's are so prevalent is a disturbing trend about how people aren't being treated like people. Instead, they're shuffled into a doctor's office, given a quick once-over, and shuffled back out with prescription in hand. At the same time, these are very powerful drugs whose range of effects on different people aren't fully understood.

[Solly]

I've been given anti-depressants before, but I didn't want to take them.

It demeans you.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Boddington's
The answer to depression to taking people's advice, and doing something with your life. Usually depression is caused by not having enough to do. I've been there.

Get a friggin hobby (something that involves others), even if it something you are crap at now. You'll get better and it'll be much more rewarding that working seven hours a day then going on Poly or playing Civ for seven hours, then sleeping.

That's bull****. There are loads of causes many of them medical.

[Asher]

If you're going to troll about how doctors are prescribing ritalin and SSRIs indescriminately, start another thread where you can blast that.

It's one thing to argue that, it's another thing to troll a thread about someone seeking treatment with comments like "everyone can pull themselves out of it"...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boddington's
I've been given anti-depressants before, but I didn't want to take them.

It demeans you.

It takes a man to know when to ask for help.

What's demeaning is having so many mental disorders as you so obviously have, and not doing anything about it.

[Japher]

Go have another beer Bodds

The problem is that Bodds hobby is taking anti-depressants in the form of beer, like me... So, we just don't see the need for mind altering drugs... apart for recreational use of course