Gender Profiling, OK? Racial Profiling, Not?

[Solly]

I notice you didn't deny what I said. Yet I bet you still have "friends who are black blah blah"...

Because as has been stated many times without question, skin colour is a proxy for income.

[Solly]

I'm just wondering what sort of guy you'd (really not) want for your daughters...

[Ming]

I notice that the best you can do is throw around insults instead of debate.

Saying skin color is a proxy for income is just racist.
Yes... data show that blacks have less income...
But that doesn't mean that all blacks are poor, or that all are criminals. There is no reason to target all blacks just because they are black. You saying that people should is about as racist as you can get.

[Solly]

Target wasn't the best choice of word...it's just obvious that police resources are better diverted to problem areas. Rather than amongst places where crime is lower and people who don't tend to commit crime as much..

[Ming]

I have no problem with police concentrating their resources in high crime areas... But you are advocating racical profiling... going after people simply because of their skin color. That is racist.

[Solly]

No, it's targetting resources on the places and people that need them most. Ask any black neighbourhood five miles from your home and they'd say they want more policing. What's wrong with that.

[Japher]

Saying skin color is a proxy for income is just racist.
Yes... data show that blacks have less income...

How is racist, if racism is a frame of thought, if there is data/facts to support such claims?

But that doesn't mean that all blacks are poor, or that all are criminals. There is no reason to target all blacks just because they are black. You saying that people should is about as racist as you can get.

No, not all blacks are poor criminals, and saying the contrary is an ignorant statement. Saying the ppl should assume that every crime is commited by a black person is also stupid. Also, just pulling someone over because they are black without justification other than them being black is wrong. Yet, that is rarely the case. The police, whose job it is to 'serve and protect', have more often than not had other reasons to suggest wrong doing or to have 'probable cause' apart from them being black.

There is nothing wrong in pulling someone over who appears to be in the "wrong neighborhood", yet if they are harrassed (and by that I mean more than some quick and simple questioning) then there is something wrong...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Japher
Yet, that is rarely the case. The police, whose job it is to 'serve and protect', have more often than not had other reasons to suggest wrong doing or to have 'probable cause' apart from them being black.

Tell that to the Black Bank VP in a nearby suburb who got harrased every time he took a walk during his lunch break... or all the other Blacks that get hasseled because they live in upper income suburbs...

Probable cause is one thing... Being pulled over for simply being black is just crap... and happens all the time.

[Venom]

Racial profiling is A OK. And a vital tool in stopping crime. Otherwise you'd end up with an APB that looks like this: "We're looking for a living creature that has some height, that may or may not have hair, that may or may not be blind, and has a tatoo on his right forearm."

And that's just retardedly gay.

[Japher]

The Color of Crime

Until the numbers change I hope racial profiling continues, and I will agree not to wear a Ski mask into a convienent store...

[Ming]

Venom, you aren't talking about racial profiling... you are talking about legitimate discripitions of possible criminals being followed up. The better the discription, the more likely the police will get the right people.

But "black male, age 21, dark jacket, jeans, 5 foot 10, short hair" shouldn't lead to every black person in 10 square miles being stopped. Even if they don't even come close to matching the discription.

[Japher]

I hold that harrassment is wrong, but profiling is not. If a cop sees a black man in a predominantly white neighborhod, and just doesn't fit in (wrong clothers, loitering, etc.) then there should be no reason why the cop can't ask him what he's doing... Cops aren't suppose to be anyones enemy...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Japher
I hold that harrassment is wrong, but profiling is not. If a cop sees a black man in a predominantly white neighborhod, and just doesn't fit in (wrong clothers, loitering, etc.) then there should be no reason why the cop can't ask him what he's doing... Cops aren't suppose to be anyones enemy...

But that's not what some police are doing.

The Bank VP I was talking about wears a suit, and takes a walk down the street from his bank at lunch... and gets harrased.

My Black friends (yes Bodds, I have black friends, gay friends, and other minority friends... do you) who live in affluent suburbs get pulled over all the time while simply driving home... and they drive nice cars and dress well.
Hell... they even have city stickers on their windshields...

Profiling is being used as an excuse to harass blacks... simply because they are black.

[Japher]

Well, I wouldn't blame profiling, or call it such... It's police harrassment and racist cops... don't cut off the nose despite the face is all I'm saying...

[Ramo]

"Racial profiling" is the PC version of "police harrassment and racist cops."