Gender Profiling, OK? Racial Profiling, Not?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Boddington's
Are you saying we shouldn't target resources where they have shown to be most needed?

You seem to be saying that it's ok to judge people based soley on the color of their skin... Which sure sounds racist to me.

Just because you want to raise statistics that might support your point of view that one skin color may be more likely to commit a crime... that doesn't make it so for everybody of that skin color. All races commit crimes.

Innocent until proven guilty... no matter what their skin color.

[Solly]

If colour of skin can be taken as a proxy for income (which can be sometimes hard to assess on the street), Ming, as has been stated by most in this thread, and (lack of) income is an indicator of likelihood of committing crime, then skin colour can certainly be used as a basis for ascertain the possibility of criminal actions.

That's just one explanation of course.

The other is that it is skin colour (or something connected with that, ie race, in a more generalised concept) that provides the increased crime and lower income. So it is no surprise as a result that crime and income would also turn out correlated.

[Sava]

Bodd's... that's what is known as a "false cause" conclusion...

I recently saw a study that concluded classical music DID NOT contribute to making babies smarter. It was previously thought that playing classical music for young children would make them smarter... but it was discovered that parents that played classical music did other things to contribute to their children's education that led to the higher IQ ratings.

make sense?

[Proteus_MST]

You can prevent thse false conclusions,
if you match the Statistical Analysis to socioeconomic Status.

Compare Groups of the same socioeconomic Status and look if different Skin Colours mean different Crime Rates among the Groups of this Socioeconomic Status.

Just comparing Crime Rates of Blacks, Whites, Latinos etc. without grouping for socioeconomic Status would be a proof of very bad scientific methods, indeed.

[Sava]

you are assuming Bodd's is basing his conclusions on statistics, or some other factual information...

[PLATO]

That would be the day.

[Sava]

... "whhheeeen you say goood byyyyeeeyyyaaayyy"

[Solly]

Show me the false statistics and I'll back down. Until now, we can say blacks commit more crime and poverty is no excuse.

So they should be targetted.

[Japher]

Naw, the reason Black people are more likely to commit crimes is not because poverity thrives in their communities, it is because they blind in with the night!... Now that's a racist statement.

What about the profile for every serial killer being a young WHITE male?

[Sprayber]

Everyone wants the cops to prevent crime as long as they aren't incovienced in the process.

"Catch that drug dealer on the corner but dont be harassing my baby, he ain't done nothing.."

[Ming]

Originally posted by Boddington's
So they should be targetted.

Again... the majority of blacks don't commit crimes. So to target them for the crimes of others is just racist.

As stated... it probably has more to do with income levels... so if you really want to follow your figures with logic... you should be asking for the police to target poor people, no matter what race they are...

[Dinner]

Generally I see more patrol cars in poor areas then in rich areas so it seems the cops already do target poor people. I have to agree with this as well. The cops should be where crimes are most likely to be commited so satistically they can stop the most crimes.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Japher

What about the profile for every serial killer being a young WHITE male?

When a suspect is of the Anglo-Saxon race, police are not inclined to harrass all white males, since those cops that are racist would never resort to such behavior.

Rather, when there is a white suspect, it seems they look out for much more details of the individual than is the case with a black suspect.

Or am I mistaken?

[Solly]

you should be asking for the police to target poor people, no matter what race they are...

Walk down the street. Think you can accurately assess the income of someone?

(Of course you probably live in some rich suburb away from minorities anyway, like most social liberals, so can preach without encountering the reality)

[Ming]

I've seen more reality than you have It must be nice to preach about the real world when you are still in school and haven't really had to face it yet

But now you are really being racist. Your response indicates that since you can't tell people are poor, they can't be targeted, even though their level of crime seems higher... yet since you can tell people are black... you can target all of them because of the actions of the minority of them...