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Spiffor: what the french police do... is that allowed? i mean it happens in the US sometimes but people report it and measures are taken. police officers have lost their badges over this... can french citizens sue?
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That's patently absurd. The war on drugs alone makes the US more authoritarian than any other western democracy."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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spiffor, in the us, cases of racial profiling are always an issue of whether or not the police officers were truly profiling or not... there is no question of the validity of profiling... its completely accepted as illegal..."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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YAY! not only are we the only bastion of freedoms but we are also the only bastion of common, decent morality!The war on drugs alone makes the US more authoritarian than any other western democracy."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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How can it possibly be considered be completely accepted as illegal when the gov't, at every level, actively does it with impunity? Hell, the first time a state passed legislation against racial profiling was three years ago.Last edited by Ramo; August 23, 2003, 15:51."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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It's pretty sad how you whine about "rich, white liberals" oppressing black people when you support the single policy that keeps them in subjugation the most.YAY! not only are we the only bastion of freedoms but we are also the only bastion of common, decent morality!"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ramo:
the constitution is fairly clear about the issue of illegal searches. searches require at the very least a reasonable suspicion which the race of the suspect solely does not include. also reasonable suspicion assumes that the police officer has reason to believe the suspect has committed a crime. when a police officer stops a random driver, there is no such suspicion as there is no crime...
police officers can get around this, however, by clearly indicating searches of all vehicles will be done (ie- at checkpoints) but can't go after random drivers on the freeway. thats unconstitutional.
and the civil war amendments also make this doubly clear and specify that the Fourth Amendment can not be abridged due to race."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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I'll paraphrase Malcom X paraphrasing Elijah Mohammed... everytime you break the seal on a liquor bottle, thats a US Gov't seal. the liquor is the state-sold and regulated tool of oppression...
you got it backwards, omar... legalization is the oppression..."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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Irrelevent. The 4th Amendment hasn't been properly enforced in a long time (thanks in large part to the war on drugs). It shouldn't be considered real law.the constitution is fairly clear about the issue of illegal searches. searches require at the very least a reasonable suspicion which the race of the suspect solely does not include."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Who said I supported the state dealing drugs? That isn't most peoples' idea of legalization.
And drugs are a health problem, not a criminal problem. When the state throws drug addicts in prison, that's real subjugation."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Omar:
there have been cases of a people being found with drugs on their person, being arrested, and a conviction seemed imminent when it was brought to the court's attention that the search was done illegally and the evidence of the found drugs had to be thrown out... though the person clearly commited a crime, the fourth amendment prevented a conviction."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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umm... so the Dutch gov't doesn't supply people with drugs?Who said I supported the state dealing drugs? That isn't most peoples' idea of legalization."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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It's occasionally enforced, true. But it isn't properly enforced."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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BTW, it hasn't been unconstitutional since 1789 as you stated earlier. Only after the passage of the 14th Amendment and subsequent court decisions have state and local gov'ts (the people who do practically all of the policing) been subject to it.
Which drugs does the Dutch gov't give out?umm... so the Dutch gov't doesn't supply people with drugs?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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To select over racial criteria is forbidden by the law AFAIK. However, suing cops is:Originally posted by Albert Speer
Spiffor: what the french police do... is that allowed? i mean it happens in the US sometimes but people report it and measures are taken. police officers have lost their badges over this... can french citizens sue?
1. very difficult except if there is a blatant wrongdoing (like a cop murdering someone). Indeed, it is often "my word vs his word" and the AFAIK, it is written in the law that a cop's word is more trustworthy than someone else's. Besides, one has to go to the cops to file the complaint
2. It is very difficult to prove the selection was done on racial criteria. The cop can say pretty much anything and get away with it. Besides, this practice is encouraged by the police, and as such tolerated by justice
3. Suing is not as much part of our culture than of yours. Most often, people will just ***** about it, or sraw some "fvck the police" tags."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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