Alabama Supreme Court

[Asher]

Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by SpencerH
Hes the elected chief justice of the Alabama supreme court.

He should be recalled and replaced with Sly Stalonne.

Does the fact that he's "elected" say more about the intelligence of the Alabamian people, then?

Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.

Maybe the Judge should keep his religion to himself.

[mrmitchell]

Hes the elected chief justice of the Alabama supreme court.

In addition to the general populace at large, courts are meant to protect the minority of a region.

[Boris Godunov]

Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by SpencerH
Hes the elected chief justice of the Alabama supreme court.

Which in no way bestows upon him any right to park a large, personally-funded statement about his personal religious ethic in the middle of a government public building.

If Bloomberg were to go an set up an altar to Baal on the steps of City Hall, I don't think that would be appropriate or legal either.

[Verto]

You'll find much of American history, buildings, and documents are full of references to God, religion, etc.

As an atheist, I wish I cold smack that judge so hard for his bigotry. What's worse is that many people support him.

Bigot? Let's not overexaggerate.

[SpencerH]

Re: Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by Asher

He should be recalled and replaced with Sly Stalonne.

Does the fact that he's "elected" say more about the intelligence of the Alabamian people, then?


Maybe the Judge should keep his religion to himself.

I'll explain it for the special students. It means his opinions on this matter are probably held by 80-85% of the people of Alabama.

Maybe he should , but on the other hand, maybe he's right about the loss of morality in America.

[Asher]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by SpencerH
I'll explain it for the special students. It means his opinions on this matter are probably held by 80-85% of the people of Alabama.

Is he a politician or a Judge?

Do you comprehend the difference?

Maybe he should , but on the other hand, maybe he's right about the loss of morality in America.

He's a stunning example of it, in fact.

[mrmitchell]

I'll explain it for the special students. It means his opinions on this matter are probably held by 80-85% of the people of Alabama.

Remember...part of the big reason why foreigners (some of them) say "I want to go to America and become a fat lazy capitalist pig" is because we have rules to protect our minorities...and not just racial minorities. Minorities by creed, gender, race, ethnic group, whatever, should be equal citizens in the eyes of the law. If the law (the judge in this case pretty much equals the law, if you want me to simplify like that) endorses even a majority group, it distorts the law's vision, or opens up the possibility for this.

[Boris Godunov]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by SpencerH
I'll explain it for the special students. It means his opinions on this matter are probably held by 80-85% of the people of Alabama.

Irrelevant, since his actions are illegal and unconstitutional. The majority opinion simply doesn't matter when it comes to violations of the establishment clause.

[molly bloom]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by SpencerH


I'll explain it for the special students. It means his opinions on this matter are probably held by 80-85% of the people of Alabama.

Maybe he should , but on the other hand, maybe he's right about the loss of morality in America.

Gosh. Wonder why they disposed of official race segregation in the sixties. After all, if it was the opinion of the majority that blacks were inherently inferior, and should be subject to white people...

Same goes for women. Take their damned votes away!
Never trust anything that bleeds for days and won't die!

[Berzerker]

Asher -

Sounds to me like he was looking for a legal out, like the Notwithstanding clause in Canada that allows provinces to ignore whatever the hell a court says.

Diplomat said this:

But aren't there some case where it is ok to refuse to obey the law, if the law is unjust or wrong?

"Unjust" is clearly a moral basis for refusing to obey the law. The Founders themselves dis-obeyed the King's laws so I think they'd agree with Diplomat. Even the Declaration of Independence says we should abolish a government that ceased respecting our inalienable rights.

MtG -

Administrative actions by officials acting in their capacity as such are "laws" within the meaning applied in constitutional practice.

The word "law" in the 1st Amendment refers to congressional legislation as the words "Congress shall make no law" indicates, not "administrative" actions that have no force of law on others. Would that mean every politician who mentioned God throughout US history was passing a law in violation of the establishment clause? How about all those religious sentiments on monuments dotting the Washington landscape?

[SpencerH]

Gee I did stir up a hornets nest with another opinion.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Berzerker
"Unjust" is clearly a moral basis for refusing to obey the law.

Did you not comprehend it when I said morality is a very stupid thing to ask permission about, especially on a web forum?

People who ask strangers online if it's "okay" to disobey laws in the moral sense is screwed in the head.

I suppose I was giving him too much credit by assuming he meant legal way to ignore the ruling...

[Berzerker]

Boris -

Irrelevant, since his actions are illegal and unconstitutional. The majority opinion simply doesn't matter when it comes to violations of the establishment clause.

So you agree the majority vote of the SCOTUS doesn't matter?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by mrmitchell

In addition to the general populace at large, courts are meant to protect the minority of a region.

Courts are to adminster the law.

[SpencerH]

Re: Re: Re: Alabama Supreme Court

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Which in no way bestows upon him any right to park a large, personally-funded statement about his personal religious ethic in the middle of a government public building.

If Bloomberg were to go an set up an altar to Baal on the steps of City Hall, I don't think that would be appropriate or legal either.

I agree.