Bus Bombing in Jerusalem

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Oerdin


He can't. It would mean civil war which he will lose. Arafat will just keep sheltering and supplying the terrorists in hopes that one day the Jews will get sick of it and sign away more and more of their birth right.

it would be more accurate to say that there is a big risk he will lose, and its not a risk he feels like taking. So Israel and the US have to make clear that the risk of not acting is as great as the risk of acting.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Update: 18 people dead.

Ok, according to my knowledge of Sharon, IDF will kill several Hamas and IJ leaders by tommorow noon.

Which begs the question... If we can kill several Hamas/IJ leaderes so quickly, WTF wasnt it done before? Why all the assasinations wave before the hudna that scared the Hamas so much wasnt done before?

[Az]

Eli is a weakling.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Azazel
Eli is a weakling.

How was your tironut 02?

[Nubclear]

It's incredibly sad, but its the same old dance all over again...

[Az]

Leaving in a week, Eli. not started it yet.

[Eli]

A reuters video.

Edit :
Also, a baby died from it's wounds in the hospital. So the number is probably 21 now.

[our_man]

The Hudna: from Siro's description is doesn't exactly sound as if Islamic society is as honourable as it would like us to believe.

Why dignify it with that name. To me it's backstabbing, pure and simple.

I really hope that the ceasefire holds, despite the horrible act that was committed. Violence just begets more violence. Look at the improvement in Northern Ireland since people started talking (OK, there are huge differences between Israel and Northern Ireland, but some of the lessons learned there can still apply).

And, no offence to the Israeli posters, but it seems that there is a never-ending supply of high-ranking militants. The way you say that Israel will go after them seems to suggest that previous efforts up until the ceasefire had barely dented the leadership of organizations such as Hamas, yet it seemed to me watching the news that a high level terrorist official was being killed every week.

The truth be told, I didn't see much progress before the road map, and if things go back to the way they were, I can't envision any being made either. But at the same time, Israel cannot afford to let this atrocity go unpunished. If Abbas doesn't start taking action immediately, I don't know what will happen, except it won't be good.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Well, Abbas hasn't enough power to say anything else, but I'm surprised by the others' reaction. I still don't get why the terrorist groups are considered as possible disuccion mates. Their aim is to destroy Israel pure and simple, and every concession they'll make will be temporary and tactical.
Discussing with them may provide a temporary truce, but they'll never be satisfied until Israel is disbanded and Israelis are sent to the seas You can't discuss with these people. You have to cut off their financial and moral support, and physically destroy its key members

spiffor

[Eli]

Complete closure of Judea&Samaria. All Israeli trust-building actions that were supposed to happen in the next days, like removing road blocks, giving work permits, and transferring cities to Pal control are cancelled.

[Az]

these are four of the major cities that were to be transferred into palestinian control.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Eli
The HAMAS claimed responsibility too. Claiming that the terrorist was an Imam in a mosque.

This means that another suicide bomber is at loose around Jerusalem.

In addition, there is a hot warning about an attack in Tel Aviv.

I'm afraid if I ever went to Israel I would rent a car and never ride on a bus.

[Kuciwalker]

How about not go to israel? It's safer that way.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by our_man
And, no offence to the Israeli posters, but it seems that there is a never-ending supply of high-ranking militants. The way you say that Israel will go after them seems to suggest that previous efforts up until the ceasefire had barely dented the leadership of organizations such as Hamas, yet it seemed to me watching the news that a high level terrorist official was being killed every week.

No, previous campaigns to kill the main leaders and organizers of terror resulted in a sustained and dramatic decrease in the number of terror attacks. The leasson learned? Yes, Hamas and IJ can get more terror leaders but it takes several years to train in the necissary skills and to gain the confidience of others in the organization.

Kill the leaders and they will lose institutional skills and no how which will take a great deal of time to replace. It's similiar to losing a pilot in WW2. Sure, you can train more but it takes years.

[Az]

I'm afraid if I ever went to Israel I would rent a car and never ride on a bus.

sweet irony. even in these years of war, twice as much people die in car accidents!