The problem with Socialism

[Pekka]

We need to start getting them counter measures soon so we can effectively fight the problems, more effectively than just hanging on.

[SlowwHand]

The real problem is the class of people you deal with daily.

[Pekka]

Sloww, well I feel that this system did work for us for a long time and it was good times. Now we need to think about radical changes to counter problems we have and are about to have. If we don't do that, I see that we're heading for serious trouble and have to do it later, but with greater cost. People are on the train to hell, it's still ok, and they throw away all the 'whiners' because they have so much faith, that the train will take them where they want to go. Oh no.. that train is going straight to hell my friends!

[SlowwHand]

It will take a major event to keep the U.S. from socializing some things.
Health care being at the forefront.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
It will take a major event to keep the U.S. from socializing some things.
Health care being at the forefront.

recession could do it. if the republicans run the deficit much higher the democrats wont have a way to get the money to socialize things.

but otherwise yes I agree.

[VetLegion]

We didn't bring the world Linux. Linus Torvalds was a Finn, sure. He worked the OS in Uni here, sure. But it's hardly a Finnish thing. It's more like international project, that happened to have a Finn in lead. That's all there is to it. Sure, it contributes to the world, but it's because of the effort of international programming etc community.

This is why you just gotta love them Finns.

Lets see what a typical response to:

..You gave world LINUX..

would be in some other countries:

GERMAN: Not surprising at all. Our technical superiority to the rest of the world is well known! (I am not a Nazi for saying this I hope)

HUNGARIAN: Yes, yes we did. Linus Torvards is an Ugro-finn, not just Finn but you don't read about that in the paper, do you?

ISRAELI: Yes we invented it but it is a secret, for gods sake..

GREEKMAN: Sure we invented Linux too! C++ language derives heavily from Greek, take for example the for loop, in Illiad..

[Whaleboy]

God do I really have to explain the myriad different forms of socialism, meaning that you have to be more precise about this?

[Imran Siddiqui]

You point out the flaws, but have no cures. Thats what I call typical righ wing/populist rant.

That's funny . That's what we American rightists say to most of the lefties on this site. You point the flaws but have no solutions. Typical left wing/commie rants .

[Pekka]

VetLegion, there's a joke, I can't remember how it goes exactly but something like this:

American, German and Finn saw a cow.

American: How can I make business out of this?

German: How can I make the cow more efficient?

Finn: What does the cow think of me?

It's funny because it's true.

[Bereta_Eder]

@ vetty

[Kitschum]

Sweden has many of the same problems as Finland which would be expected since we share a very similar socialist ("social democratic/third way/welfare state") system: High taxes, drop in quality of education, drop in wealth (relative to other countries), under-working over-educated youth, people living off the system out of laziness, rampant tax evasion, poor integration of immigrants, class society, aging population, an ever lesser part of the population is working, a larger part is away from work sick, etc. Add Euro-phobia to all of that. I don't want to rant (anymore), but although I haven't read all of Pekka's posts and can't say I agree with them letter by letter, I still agree with the feeling of frustration and slow decline.

Sure, we have good things too (many the same as Finland) but I don't wanna cut up my post with a long disclaimer.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


And as I pointed out, Finland is far from being mediocre. In point of fact, made in Norway / Sweden / Finland / Denmark usually means you are getting a high quality product. Volovo / Saab / Nokia / Haagen-Daaz / Lurpak etc.

Häagen-dazs is American! Still good though (all of those that you mentioned).

[Pekka]

Kitschum, agreed. Every system has it's problems though, even the same problems but to me what counts is how we can counter these problems and work them out. I just feel our system is getting outdated and we need to do some changes around sooner than later, and better sooner than later.

Yeah, Volvo, Nokia, Saab.. nice quality things you can't afford here .

[Kitschum]

Originally posted by Pekka
VetLegion, there's a joke, I can't remember how it goes exactly but something like this:

American, German and Finn saw a cow.

American: How can I make business out of this?

German: How can I make the cow more efficient?

Finn: What does the cow think of me?

It's funny because it's true.

Yeah we (Swedes) do this too. The newspapers are filled with stories of people who have "made it" abroad or how well Sweden does in international lists or comparisons of various kinds. We love sports just for this reason too. But when we fall behind suddenly there's lot less publicity!

[Bereta_Eder]

I'm sorry, could I just spontaniously combust now?

You people have one of the highest living standard in the world. Your social democratic welfare is a role model for Europe (yeah despite its problems) and sure every country has its problems but at least dont complain in front of us!

I sincerely believe you wouldnt last an hour in our countries. Im amazed we ourselves manage to survive.

[Pekka]

An hour? That's a pretty rough prediction .

Yeah, of course I have a silver spoon stuck up in my ass, and I get everything by just snapping fingers.