The Western Whitehouse???!!!

[Sava]

Originally posted by MrFun


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lap tops, cell phones, pagers

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Can I tell that to my boss when he asks why I don't show up to work?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Do you actually use any of those things to work while at home?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Sava
Can I tell that to my boss when he asks why I don't show up to work?

I think I know why some people are driven crazy when conversing with Sava.

[Japher]

Yeah, what is congress doing anyway?



The president is also suppose to be a leader, a part from a decission maker. What does a month "off" say about a leader when his troops are still fighting?

It would be like a General getting an iced tea and a hooker when his boys are going into battle, wait, we are already engaged.

All I am saying is that now is not the opportune time for a vacation of that length. Disagree is fine, but saying that he can communicate just as well from Texas does not put everything right with the situation. The flag should be on the flag pole and the fire in the hearth.

[rev]

Kaak --

We're losing roughly one a day to hostile acts. You can't forget that the rates of accidents (car wrecks, etc.) is higher in war zones than domestic situations.

[Kaak]

and your friends dying around you

with the number of troopswe have had over there vs the number of troops that have died, most "grunts" haven't even had one friend die around them, much less multiple friends...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kaak

with the number of troopswe have had over there vs the number of troops that have died, most "grunts" haven't even had one friend die around them, much less multiple friends...

that's a terribly ignorant and heartless thing to say... one of my friends who served as a marine from 1999-2001 has had two friends die in Iraq...

[Imran Siddiqui]

that's a terribly ignorant and heartless thing to say

Even though it's probably correct?

Or are you willing to assert that your friend is 'most grunts' in Iraq?

[Kaak]

my cousin is in a marine recon division, and he was battling on the front lines. He didn't lose a friend at all...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kaak
my cousin is in a marine recon division, and he was battling on the front lines. He didn't lose a friend at all...

Well good for him, but despite your cousin's experience, there are others who HAVE lost friends, brothers, sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, etc... so keep that in mind before you make another ignorant generalization.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So again, Sava... is your friend 'most' grunts? How many percent of the troops sent over have been lost? 1%, 2%? Is that most grunts friends?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
So again, Sava... is your friend 'most' grunts? How many percent of the troops sent over have been lost? 1%, 2%? Is that most grunts friends?

WTF does that have to do with anything? The soldiers have a job. The president has a job. Just because only a few people had friends who died doesn't mean that their circumstances aren't legitimate. Even if one soldier had died in Iraq, his job would have still been tougher than the president's.

[Imran Siddiqui]

This is typical Sava, though. Totally overstate something (the average blah has to deal with blah) when only a few actually do, and then when you contest the numbers, he calls you ignorant or heartless.

[cinch]

I have to agree with Japher on this.

There is a time and a place for vacations. When Iraq is still a mess, and there's a lot of confusion as to whent things are going to quiet down: it's not the best time to go off to Crawford.



As for the President having the hardest job in the world... I disagree. I definitely think the work the coalition army is doing in Iraq is harder than the tasks taken on by Bush (considering the amount of advisors and helpers and such he has, and the fact that he's in a much less volatile environment).

The facts are: people are dying in Iraq, Bush just told the soldiers that they'll be staying there for a much longer haul then anticipated... while he goes to relax at his ranch. That just doesn't seem to go hand in hand with 'great leadership'.

[Japher]

So, you are all saying that the casualties are so low in Iraq that they don't even compare to domestic accident casualties?

All the more reason for Bush to be with the troops. a) It's obviously safer b) He'll have 300,000 armed guards c) I hear that Bush's golf came is so bad that he spends most of his time in the sand anyway d) He'd be actively supporting his troops and increase morale e) He can extend his trip and write the whole thing off as a buisness expense!!!!