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  • #121
    "and you have been only here to say I'm a troll and I have no points."

    There's little else to say in reply to you. If you look at Vel's economic integration point, it is utter bollocks, but at least substantiated enough to argue against it.

    So many British are eurosceptic. So the EU is disunited? And further... what?
    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #122
      Pekka you don't seem to get it. Having unity doesnt require that everyone agrees with each other or even admit they have anything in common with someone else. Unity among ppl does not require 100% approval
      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

      - Paul Valery

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      • #123
        You complain about my whining same thing all over again and again. If you really understood what I said, you'd also see that I have answered to that question already. Numerous times.

        I'll say it again: So, maybe some British folks are not an exception to this case. Central Europe hegemony.
        And because we are not unified, we will never truly succeed either.
        OK?! And read the threads again if you have anything to ask, because prolly I have already answered it.
        Thanks.
        In da butt.
        "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
        THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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        • #124
          "Central Europe hegemony."

          Ah, Austria rules the EU. Always suspected it....
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #125
            laurentius, of course it doesn't mean that. That would be impossible. But.. ok let's look about the real situations, like the mess in Iraq some time ago. How unified was Europe? It was a damn crisis. So how unified is that? We are unified in paper.
            In da butt.
            "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
            THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
            "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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            • #126
              Look Pekka WE CAN DISAGREE BOUT SOMETHING AND STILL BE UNIFIED AND EUROPEAN ok?
              Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

              - Paul Valery

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              • #127
                SURE WE CAN. But there are so many signs of not being unified, then what are the real signs of being unified then? You know, Iraq was unified too before Saddam fell. My point? It doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
                In da butt.
                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                • #128
                  And sure, we can be unified in some leves and that we are. That's why I said we are unified in paper.
                  Maybe I have higher standars for unity, but that is a big word to me. Just because I'm married to someone doesn't mean we are unified.
                  In da butt.
                  "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                  THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                  "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                  • #129
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    Is that why Chirac told the nations that disagreed with France and Germany's stance over Iraq that they should shut up?
                    they did exactely the same however as the US administration (the defender of freedom remember ?)
                    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                    • #130
                      Originally posted by Pekka
                      And sure, we can be unified in some leves and that we are. That's why I said we are unified in paper.
                      Maybe I have higher standars for unity, but that is a big word to me. Just because I'm married to someone doesn't mean we are unified.
                      I realize that those poor Americans are not unified : the Democrats always desagree with the Republicans.
                      Statistical anomaly.
                      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                      • #131
                        DAVOUT, is it a little different when you talk about countres inner affairs, and when you talk about affairs of many nations?

                        With those conclutions I could say UN is unified as Europe is too. It says right that in the papers.
                        In da butt.
                        "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                        THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                        "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                        • #132
                          Foreign policy areas where we are unified: trade policy, Kyoto, ICC, Macedonia, Congo.

                          Foreign policy is essentially a competeing competence in the EU for now. So if we are not united on an issue, states act individually. If in the US Congress and President are not united, it's gridlock - they do nothing. Sure the President can act to some extent, but if Congress shuts off the money tab, he's toast.
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #133
                            ****. nevermind.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #134
                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              DAVOUT, is it a little different when you talk about countres inner affairs, and when you talk about affairs of many nations?
                              I see, it is less serious to desagree within the same borders than between associated countries.
                              Statistical anomaly.
                              The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                              • #135
                                DAVOUT, So you say there is no unified country in the world, or that the UN is unified?
                                In da butt.
                                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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