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[Pekka]

And I also told earlier, that the kind of equality and unity that we are dreaming about.. it's impossible. So we shouldn't talk about it either. It's a loose alliance or union. That's all I've been saying all the time.

[laurentius]

Did you start this thread just because you like to laugh and bash people who are trying to make things better for all of uss. Don't you like peace, stability, wellbeing, respect, love?
EU is very very far from perfect, but I honestly believe they are trying to make up for the mistakes our ancestors did. I hope all good for EU, thats our hope, give it a chance.

Rome wasn't built in one night either

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Pekka
DAVOUT, So that means true unity and equality? It's still bunch of individual countries and few laws and a loose alliance aimed for not letting us fight each other. Worked for few decades. whopee.

You mean that a bunch of individual countries would have made Airbus as well, and would have connected their economies to the point that a new currency can be launch, overnight, on jan 1st 2001 for 300 millions people?

But I forgot that for you the EU will not exist until its military matchs the US ... :

[Pekka]

Nah, I just started this thread to brake myths.
And I said earlier (in other thread where this whole thing started) that Europe is Europe, and there are good things in it and they are much more than the few things that are not so good.

I hope for the better Europe and EU too. I hope they will succeed, however I will not see this happening. I see it being mediocre and having nice things and all that, but true success won't become to us. I'm not saying we need it.

Come on don't speak about peace love and what not. Michael is going to give you a call too, soon.

[Pekka]

DAVOUT, I was first talking about Europe, and after that EU. Don't mix things up. For your information, not even every country in EU uses euros, or plan doing it.

[laurentius]

Michael!? Jackson?

[Az]

Just my two cents, and then I'll leave.

Europe will be truly united when it will have a federal tax, a federal army, and when its' parliament and government will wield more power than those of the member states. This will be truely sealed when states won't be allowed to leave the union. We could see a european civil war then.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Pekka
DAVOUT, I was first talking about Europe, and after that EU. Don't mix things up. For your information, not even every country in EU uses euros, or plan doing it.

I dont mix things up : you are so fascinated by the US that you cannot see the reality in your own continent. But that is your right. Enjoy using it !

[Pekka]

What's wrong with that? I gave Europe credit for being good, I just think euros thinks is something bigger than it is. Now. It CAN be bigger, and better in the future, but not in the way I think most TRUE EUROS thinks.

[Pekka]

You see me like I'm fascinated by the US and blinded by it's light. In that case, you are like the fan of Michael Jackson thinking he did not molest the kids .




.. just a joke. Don't get angry.

[laurentius]

Pekka: Euros? TRUE EURO? WTF dude? Where do you come up with these ridiculous-obviously anglo-american invented- terms?
It's not like you wouldnt be one of us.

Euros, Eurocommies it's all the same american ****. It melts your credibility just like using M$ fo Microsoft. I don't say "morons" when I talk about americans, in exchange I don't tolerate words like "euros" "TRUE EUROS" or "eurocommies"

so please, Don't be an ass n use em

[Pekka]

Euro? That can be used to mean European, I don't think that's insulting. TRUE EURO I invented myself yesterday, and that is supposed to mean central Europe hegemony masters . It's a bit insulting, though I don't mean the person is very bad. But it is a minor insult, granted.

I am European, I ma euro, sure. I'm not ashamed to be euro either.

And I hate the term eurocom as well, and last time Fez used it, I answered him what I think of the term.

[laurentius]

Yeah well i'ts f u c k i n g annoying

[Pekka]

I know! . And they deserve it too!

Looks like I'm defending myself from attacks coming from right and left and in the middle. Someone could pair up with me and smash these TRUE EUROS away .

[Boris Godunov]

Most of the people I've met from Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and western Germany tend to consider themselves "European" more than their nationalities. But the French and Italians are far more nationalistic. I've never heard any Brit call himself European, and most Brits I know refer to "Europe" with a sneer.