I HATE vegitarians who are vegitarians because of the animals well being

[Peter Triggs]

A few years ago, someone at the Department of Psychology of Oxford University was doing research on eating disorders. They wanted people to fill in some questionaires and asked for volunteers who had ever been:

anorexic,

bulimic, or

vegetarian

Don't know what results they came up with.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk


Alright the...consider the American White-Tailed Deer.

Due to a combination of uraban development and rural "varmant shooting", the deer had nearly disappeared from New Jersey by the turn of the century. However, because people wanted venison, they decided to try and save the deer. At first, they had a moratorium on hunting, and brought in deer from other regions, to create a healthy and diverse breeding stock. As time went on, they re-introduced hunting, and regulated it such that the herds would not be over-hunted.

Today, white-tailed deer are everywhere in New Jersey, all because we like venison.

But the reason they where facing extinction in the first place was humans. We chose not to kill them all off so that we could continue to eat them. How benevolent of us.

The ecoystem there is as damaged as ever, keeping them around to eat hasn't helped anything but humans.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by obiwan18






People are animals too. Even if they are human 'pigs' should we not care for them and treat them well?

Like I said, sometimes a species gets out of control and dominates the region. This is usually because we introduce them somewhere else, because normally nature can handle these things; and they don't happen on such a large scale. That's when we have to do something to restore the ecological balance. Humans are far worse, instead of controlling just a region they control pretty much the whole world which puts an enormous strain on anything else living on this planet.

Problems can have very simple causes btw; we don't always actively harm them, also passively.. For example people that keep lights on in their garden all night, or factories that keep bright lamps on during the night seriously disrupts night animals and can have quite some repercussions.. Simple example.

I don't think you can deny that we have a light overpopulation right?

Again I have no problem if we have to hunt down a certain species if we need to do that; I don't like butchering animals, but there are times it just needs to be done. I know you think we can't start butchering people (actually we do!! ) but you know.. we just live way too long; we were not supposed to get so old... In prehistoric times old people as we know them now wouldn't exist because they wouldn't be able to simply survive..



PS azazel: what a sad thing to say... okay then, I'd kill a million israeli to save one palestinian...

now how does that feel?

[Traianvs]

it's all the fault of those damn mofos in the Taurus mountains in the Middle east that introduced metallurgy

they're the ones who started the human technological advance into large large communities, eventually cities and then empires!

[Az]

gee, I never realized that che is a pansy.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Osweld


But the reason they where facing extinction in the first place was humans. We chose not to kill them all off so that we could continue to eat them. How benevolent of us.

The ecoystem there is as damaged as ever, keeping them around to eat hasn't helped anything but humans.

Benevolence has nothing to do with it. They are alive, and even thrive, because they are of use to us.

[JCG]

I'll admit that I fully support genocide against cockroaches and misc. insects...most are only good for spreading filth and disease (and scaring the **** out of people)

But I wouldn't oppose improving the treatment of other animals killed for food, and wouldn't mind eating more vegetables instead of meat...just that I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, if it's not possible.

Humans should take care of humans first (just like all other animals take care of their own), but trying to keep the natural environment at least reasonably clean and functioning while they do so (this could certainly be improved much more even today, as a lot of needless damage evidently continues...).

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk


Benevolence has nothing to do with it. They are alive, and even thrive, because they are of use to us.

And why's that a good thing? Allowing something to live as food source is hardly a noble thing. I don't see how you can say that as a defence of eating meat - it just makes the practice that much more disgusting.

[The Mad Monk]

Everything living is food. Haven't you figured that out yet?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Everything living is food. Haven't you figured that out yet?

No ****. Do you have a point?

[The Mad Monk]

My point is, what does nobility have to do with it?

[Jon Miller]

I can't stand the thought of eating flesh

hence I don't eat meat

am I a panzy?

Jon Mill;er

[The Mad Monk]

No, you're not a pansy.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
My point is, what does nobility have to do with it?

You're the one who is pushing the idea of keeping the animals alive as a good (noble) thing. So don't ask me.

[The Mad Monk]

What part of

Benevolence has nothing to do with it.

do you not understand?