Basque independentists create a plan to destroy Spain and France

[LDiCesare]

Para entonces, el PNV confÃa en que ETA cumpla y decrete un tregua, prueba evidente de que los terroristas son un instrumento más para conseguir los objetivos polÃticos.

This says it all IMHO (quickly translated: for once, the PNV is confident that the ETA will stop terrorist actions, proof that terrorism is one more means to reach their objective).
I just want to point out that the Basque independentists are indeed quite hard against their own people. I suspect that a lost refernedum would be considered moot becuase they'd say that non-basques have influenced the vote, and a won referendum would probably have much more to do with the fear of those who wouldn't want to be oppressed for having voted no than the will of the basques.
The situation, btw, is quite similar in Corsica. Most corsicans don't want to be independant. The point is that many of them, and many basques in France (probably much less in Spain) leave their region to live in other areas of the country, but still, culturally and from all points of view, remain basques or corsicans.

And about losing something, I wouldn't want to lose the Biarritz Olympique, l'Aviron Bayonnais, and the songs. I also think that in Spain, the Pais Vasco is relatively rich in comparison with the southern regions. In France, it is much smaller, and doesn't have much weight (they can't even get a departement separate from the Bearn even though it's been promised to them many times).

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
No offense, Oliver, but I'd be willing to let Spain be destroyed as long as the Basques are taking down France as well. You guys need to take one for the team.

[Giancarlo]

These are terrorists and nothing but terrorists. They need to be shut up. You foreigners have no say in the affairs of my country. There is one thing the former socialist PM Gonzalez did right and that was set up hit squads that went after terrorists and killed them.

[Sandman]

Federalism is not a magic bullet to solve all problems. I really couldn't care less about the statehood or otherwise of Europe's tiny little nationalities, and I'm a member of one.

[Giancarlo]

I think the Spanish central government has done a lot for the Basque region. And I think most people there, though would like some autonomy, would not want to be independent. It will never happen.

[JCG]

From what I've gathered, the problem is that while the Basques might admittedly have legitimate demands for more autonomy or even independence, as long as a small percentage of them resort to terrorism to promote these (and other) objectives, the Spanish government, most of its citizens and even an important part of their own people simply will not listen nor support them.

They must stop the violence before anything can seriously be negotiated.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
You foreigners have no say in the affairs of my country.

Then kindly refrain from commenting on U.S. politics from now on. Thank you.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Then kindly refrain from commenting on U.S. politics from now on. Thank you.

I got American citizenship aswell you know.

[Nubclear]

Re: Basque independentists create a plan to destroy Spain and France

Originally posted by OliverFA
(Spain news have not much impact outside our borders you know)

Yeah, I know.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
OliverFA is an excellent example of precisely why Basques want independence in the first place-

First: Basques don't want independence. Even acording to the basque government statistics.

Second: You a sample of the triumph of the basque government propaganda. Please inform yourself better before opining about what you don't know

Third: I won't discuss why someone that insults me. That's the last time I've ever answered you.

Fourth: I am Catalan, but feel Spanish, like the majority of Catalans. What does it turn me in?

Main reason I'm for the EU- weakens the national state and allows regions to flourish outside the yoke of power-mad bastards like Oliver.

No comment. Your own words cancel all your credit.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
it is my opinion, though, that ethnic strife tends to go down when ethnic groups are separated by national borders, rather than when they are forcibly mixed.

The problem is believing that they are a different ethnic group. They are the same race, have the same story, and (the most important thing) the majority of them want to continue being Spanish.

[Japher]

I guess Europeans are... what would be the word, hate other people that aren't the same ethnicity as they are... Racist? No... hmmm...

Silly, that there has to be divisions in such a socialist state...

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by panag



can we leave the personal insults , .........

Thanks for defending me, Panag. But honestly I prefer he to insult me. That shows which kind of person he is, and tells a lot about the positions he defenses.

By the way, is very common among the basque terrorists to acuse the Spanish of what they do. He must have studied at the same school than them.

I, of course, will never insult him.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Oerdin
that document sounds like rubbish. The government should continue to point out how illegal and extreme it is and then smear it's writers.

Thanks for your opinion Oerdin

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
No offense, Oliver, but I'd be willing to let Spain be destroyed as long as the Basques are taking down France as well. You guys need to take one for the team.

France might have their bad points, sure. We've seen many of them in the recent international political events. But it also has lot of good things and (in my opinion) is among the best and most democratic countries in the world. You can be sure that the result would be a lot worst, and you would miss France...