Your Very Own Imperial Stardestroyer

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GePap
Each Vorlon Cruiser is over 1000 meters long.

There are many more shots of that ship, and it is certainly much bigger than 5 miles.

Also, there were 5 first one ships firing on the Vorlon planet killer, each of them almost 1/2 to about the same size as it. I don't judge 5 very large ships firing from a distance a swarm.

Sloppy, sloppy.

If ISD can fire in so many directions, why were they so freaking unable to take down just a few Rebel fighters coming to penetrate the defenses of a Sper star destroyer?

Erm, Didn't we cover this earlier in the thread?

Lets add another bit: the whole "Imperial ships in the asteroid field" scene. With so many guns of such great power with such great sensors and so forth, we are to believe that trying to cross and asteriod field whould cause massive damage to their ships? If those shields are good enough to handle turboblaster hits, you are telling me the energy form small asteroids (after all, with such good arcs of fire, how could any large ones get through?) would be enough to severy damage these mighty ships?

Some of them are quite large. As you notice, the field was a bit dense want the vessels were being pounded on quite a bit.

JM: not that many days pass between when the Vorlons bring on thier big guns, and the time when the final battel happens: 2 weeks at most, and by them several planets were gone.

Still doesn't reconcile the statement...

I'm going to bed, I'll be back.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Does it really matter to the point?

Does any of this really matter?

What website are you posting on again?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Does it really matter to the point?

Does any of this really matter?

Why are you here, Dune boy?!

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Where's the screenshot of them hitting an out of control X-Wing before it hits their at the Battle of Endor? Did I mention their bridge placement is stupid yet?

it may not have been a turbolaser, it could have been one of the point defense canons many sources now say the ISD has in addition to the 60 turbolaser batteries and 60 ion cannon batteries (which are not all the same strength, mind you, they vary in degree of power, like how some battleships have 8 inch batteries all the way up to 16 inch, for example).

Regardless, it was a one in a million shot. Once a starships shields are down, its pretty much ****ed anyway. but i conced you the point, i suppose

[Drake Tungsten]

Why are you here, Dune boy?!

To avoid doing work.

[Dale]

There was no "Conquer America" option, so I took the next best thing: Conquer the world.

Stop America using "terrorism" as the basis to expand oil influence!

[GePap]

Erm, Didn't we cover this earlier in the thread?

Yes, bu to no ones satisfaction but your own.

Some of them are quite large. As you notice, the field was a bit dense want the vessels were being pounded on quite a bit.

If these ships are so utterly mighty, that would not matter.

Still doesn't reconcile the statement...

One statement out of many, plus visiual evidence against it. So the quote was sloppily writen: blame the writers.

On that site, which is trying to figure out the power output: It is really nuts.

Hmm..I ownder if those guys realized that when the asteroid was hit, oit made a sound in the frame...O my Gosh, physicists have been wrong all along, there is sound in vacuum, cause SW's has it there!!! maybe someone should tell these guys that the prop people who made that styrofoam stone really did not have some specific material in mind for it (htough it looks like Stone, not solid iron as they speculate), and the thing falling paart was a speficif special effects decision. Oh, but no, the FX guy was some phycist who before he produced the shot calcualated the exact effects of said power oputput on said material of this size...




That is why I think all of this "technical info" is crap. These guys assume so much, and in doing so make asses of themselves.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Kramerman
The sun crusher could do this... an ISD, like anything else with capital ship shielding, could approach a star fairly safely, but if it were to get to close, it might get pulled in by its graivty and fried.

As for unrealism in SW, the only thing utterly unrealistic to me is the Force, and jedi piss me off…

Urrrmmm, pet peeve time. Nothing gets "pulled in" to a star or black hole. There isn't a suction effect, it is just gravity. Approaching the star converts gravitational potential to kinetic energy, and by conservation of energy imparts enough velocity to escape back to the initial position (unless piloted into the body or event horizon by a fool).

Back to the original topic…

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
I like Strabow's plan… blah, blah, blah

Smart man.

Besides, with a corporation going on I'd have to expose my own persona to risks I'd rather not take. I can't run an Earth-based corporation on just droids, but a powerhouse of production is possible with them. Not to mention the taxes, I hate filling out those forms. And bureaucracy altogether is a pain, why go down that lane when I can just 'splode things if they get in my way?

With a corp you hire people to do the taxes. And with a "closely held" corp wherein shares aren't publicly traded there is no exposure or regulation by SEC, etc.

Those old B-movie overlord types are passe. Corporate overlords rulz joo (take that, Ming). Plus, once you are in with the government of the cooperative nation taxes are a secondary matter.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by GePap
If ISD can fire in so many directions, why were they so freaking unable to take down just a few Rebel fighters coming to penetrate the defenses of a Sper star destroyer?

Specious argument. The SSD was being swarmed by the Rebel ships...Ackbar explicitely ordered ALL craft to attack the SSD. Let's see how well a Vorlon ship would hold up if it were swarmed by an entire fleet of enemy cruisers who were continually pounding on it.

The A-Wing got through the SSD's defenses through a combination of luck and the fact that the SSD's sensors had been compromised by the destruction of the sensor globe atop the bridge tower. This severely hampered her gunnery control.

Re: bad bridge placement...how is it any worse than ST bridge placement, which is just as obvious and therefore just as vulnerable?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Re: bad bridge placement...how is it any worse than ST bridge placement, which is just as obvious and therefore just as vulnerable?

Redundent controls. Better targeting sensors.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Redundent controls. Better targeting sensors.

Maybe on the first one (although there are numerous mentions in EU literature about engineering being secondary CIC)

As for targeting sensors,I've seen no evidence to the countrary.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
As for targeting sensors,I've seen no evidence to the countrary.

When was the last time you saw a group of fighters sucessfully take on a fully armed cruiser?

[:) Smiley]

I guess we're gonnas hafta just build a couple of these things and see.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
When was the last time you saw a group of fighters sucessfully take on a fully armed cruiser?

When did it ever happen in SW?

The SSD wasn't just fighting starfighters. It had the entire Rebel Fleet bearing down on it, which is why the fighters were able to get through in the first place. Had it just been the fighters, they never would have gotten through the shields.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Specious argument. The SSD was being swarmed by the Rebel ships...Ackbar explicitely ordered ALL craft to attack the SSD. Let's see how well a Vorlon ship would hold up if it were swarmed by an entire fleet of enemy cruisers who were continually pounding on it.

The A-Wing got through the SSD's defenses through a combination of luck and the fact that the SSD's sensors had been compromised by the destruction of the sensor globe atop the bridge tower. This severely hampered her gunnery control.

And after all as I understand, the Star Destroyers (as well as the Super Star Destroyers) where not intended to fight against Starfighters,
but to fight against other Capital Ships and therefore had only Turbolasers, which have a very great Firepower, but have their Problems to lock onto fast moving Starfighters (and especially the A-Wing is the fastest Starfighter, the Rebel Alliance has [although it on the downside has fewer Weapons than other Designs]).

For the Defense against the Starfighters there are the Tie Fighter Squadrons and a specially designed Type of Escort Capital Ship, the Lancer Class Frigate (which only has Quad Lasers like those used by the Millenium Falcon and not a single Turbolaser).

So it is no wonder, that you see many Scenes, where the Starfighters whirl around Stardestroyers without being hit by them