Republican pigheadedness.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by loinburger
Oerdin: I read "well seated in the far right" to mean "most prevalent in the far right" or perhaps even "based almost exclusively in the far right." The fact that the thread singles out Republicans lends credence to this paraphrasing (though some have broadened their horizons to cover all conservatives in this spanktification).

Point taken. I was examining Republican extremists simply because that was my most recent personal experience. I didn't mean to suggest that meant no one else was an extremist or didn't commit similiar offenses but I hope you can see why I was fired up about this proticular flavor of extremism.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Ok, you are talking about the thread title. If you like you can change it by eliminating the word Republican and just make it "Pigheadedness".

Yeah... I was talking about the very VISIBLE thread title... Just because now you don't mind if it's changed, I will state that you have done the exact same thing you have been whining about in the thread. Which makes you as bad as the people you are trying to trash here.

That said I admite that wrong is wrong no matter who does it or how much they do it, but, I would say the far right displays this proticular trait to a greater degree then the far left (as opposed to the moderate right or left or even the centrists) It is a matter of degrees of wrongness I guess which maybe splitting hairs but still...

Now your biases are showing... here you are claimiing that "other" people do it more... yet here you are doing the exact same thing.

There is no "matter of degrees" here. ANYBODY that does it is EQUALLY Wrong... and guess what, you are as wrong for doing it here as the people at the other site were doing it to you.

No splitting hairs at all... just the simple facts.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Point taken. I was examining Republican extremists simply because that was my most recent personal experience. I didn't mean to suggest that meant no one else was an extremist or didn't commit similiar offenses but I hope you can see why I was fired up about this proticular flavor of extremism.

Could you be any wishy-washier?

Stick to your guns...

[KrazyHorse]

IT doesn't matter if you're right; it just matters that you have endurance...

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I hope you can see why I was fired up about this proticular flavor of extremism.

Oh sure, I know where you're coming from about there. It's not worth worrying about, though.

[Dinner]

I'll even admite to a degree of hypocracy but can you honestly say there is no such thing as degrees? Clearly the man who kills ten people is worse then the man who kills one person. They are both murderers but one is a worse murder; a mass murder or serial killer if you will.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ming
There is no "matter of degrees" here. ANYBODY that does it is EQUALLY Wrong... and guess what, you are as wrong for doing it here as the people at the other site were doing it to you.

No splitting hairs at all... just the simple facts.

Were they now? I don't like to get involved in the affairs of the other "other site", but calling somebody disloyal to his country because he's of the other major political party and complaining that members of the other political party tend to be pigheaded seem to be on different scales to me...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'll even admite to a degree of hypocracy but can you honestly say there is no such thing as degrees? Clearly the man who kills ten people is worse then the man who kills one person. They are both murderers but one is a worse murder; a mass murder or serial killer if you will.

But we aren't talking murder here... we are talking about somebody who insults another whole group solely based on their political affiliation.

It was done to you there... and you have done the same here. You are as bad as the people you are trying to abuse. There is NO difference in your actions from theirs.

[Dinner]

Ming: If one takes the time to read beyond the thread title and actually read the content of my posts then they will see that I have taken a certain amount of effort to say that not all Republicans are like this and that other groups do it as well. Did the people on that other site do this? No, they did not so how can our transgretions be equally as bad?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Were they now? I don't like to get involved in the affairs of the other "other site", but calling somebody disloyal to his country because he's of the other major political party and complaining that members of the other political party tend to be pigheaded seem to be on different scales to me...

Nope both are smear tactics aimed at discrediting the opposition. Shame of it is the game of discrediting the other side has become more important than the real jobs they are accountable for.

Libs - Smear cons via tactics revolving around lack of IQ or lack of compassion and hence evilness.

Cons - Smear libs via tactics revolving around lack of practical world experience or lack of will and hence disloyal.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Oerdin
No, they did not so how can our transgretions be equally as bad?

First... I read through every word you have posted... and totally understand the situation. But, I will nail your ass on the thread title. All your fine words are true, but you went out of your way to attack all Republicans when you made that title.

And I still stand on my pov that both transgretions are equally as bad... Like them, you are abusing a group of people based on their political affiliation and not on anything else.

You may claim the "level of insults" was different, but that doesn't really matter to me. It was the act itself.
You did the exact same thing you are accusing them of.

You may think you are on higher ground because your insult wasn't as bad... but in my mind, your high ground is only about an inch higher in the mud than their high ground, and you all playing in the same mud.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Nope both are smear tactics aimed at discrediting the opposition. Shame of it is the game of discrediting the other side has become more important than the real jobs they are accountable for.

Libs - Smear cons via tactics revolving around lack of IQ or lack of compassion and hence evilness.

Cons - Smear libs via tactics revolving around lack of practical world experience or lack of will and hence disloyal.

Really now. So calling somebody inflexible and calling them a traitor are equal?

Nice try.

[KrazyHorse]

Now if he'd said that Republicans are soulless monsters who crave the flesh of newborns, then I could see your point, but until then it's not a valid comparison...

[Ming]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Now if he'd said that Republicans are soulless monsters who crave the flesh of newborns, then I could see your point, but until then it's not a valid comparison...

Hmmm... unpatriotic vs soulless monsters who crave the flesh of newborns... you are right, it isn't a valid comparison... the second is far worse than being called unpatriotic

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Nope,

The insults thrown out in your above example are extreme for the cons and mild for the libs. Yet as is so often pointed out in this and other threads the name calling that gets bandied around on both sides is roughly equivalent and more importantly it is a set of stereotypes that does injustice to a whole category of people.

Bush is an idiot. Bush is a criminal. Trent Lott is a racist etc. etc. etc. from the left. (Feel free to substitute the word Republican in place of any above named leader)

Hillary is a traitor. Daschle doesn't have a backbone. etc. etc. etc. (Feel free to subtitute the word Democrat in place of any above named leader).

Its all a game about who can more effectively discredit the other and it is becoming more about the game and less about governing every day. Partisnaship needs to go. We need an effective 3rd party that more effectively represents the lukewarm centrists.