Republican pigheadedness.

[Ming]

Originally posted by GePap
You infer "it is OK" when I say "it is different". That seems a bit dubious to me: are those two things equal to you?

Well... then, what does "it is different" mean to you?

Are you saying that one is less bad? The it is less bad for insults if you have less influence.

Let me be perfectly clear. ANYBODY THAT DOES IT IS POND SCUM. No matter whether you have influence or not... IT'S EQUALLY BAD.

How's that...

Now... please explain how it is different, and why different in your mind is better or worse. Because it seems like your saying that it's not as bad when your out of influence group does it... which may not mean that you say it's OK, but it does mean that you don't disapprove of it as much...

HAVE FUN.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Gepap
And we were not talking about Poly

Oerdin was talking about right wingers on "another forum." I was referring to left wingers who are right under our noses.

[DinoDoc]

This thread can wrap around my ass.

[loinburger]

Wutang!

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ming
HAVE FUN.

The spread of this sort of talk form the far right is one of the leading factors in the breaking down of politics in this country. American democracy is built on the notion of compremise. Demonization of the "other" by definition means no compromise, for how can you compromise with evil?

Now, the issue of influence matters because the closer the fring is to the power making core of the party, the more it can pass on its "don;t comprimise with evil" stance unto the party. Over the last 8 years, we have seen a republican leadership in the House at least less and less willing to debate anything, make any compromise, do anything but ram what is sees fit through, which only leads to a greater breakdown of the system, becuas einvariably Dems. will counteract such actions with smilira actions of thier own (that isn't adult, but that is the way it is).

So yes, there is a difference between what someone like Moore says and what someone like Rush says, cause Rush and his buddies can moblize votes or money, and thus pols. are more apt to act to please him. Hence, what Rush says has rgeater impact on policy than what Moore says, and the influence is corrosive to a working Congress and political culture in the country.

[GePap]

Originally posted by loinburger

Oerdin was talking about right wingers on "another forum." I was referring to left wingers who are right under our noses.

And we have right wingers here too? So? Oerdin is relatively right in this forum..what would a forum by like which paints him as some unpatriotic person?

[Drake Tungsten]

what would a forum by like which paints him as some unpatriotic person?

Truly American?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
what would a forum by like which paints him as some unpatriotic person?

You never went to Newsmax when we "visited" ( ) them, did you?

[GePap]

No, I didn't.

[Ming]

So using your own example... both do it. Your complaint seems to be that since they have influence, it makes more of a difference. yet as you even state, dems do the same thing.

So there really is no difference. All parties have their pond scum who aren't making things easier...

And all I'm saying is... to start a thread accusing one party of something all other parties is doing is just hypicrictal at best... Why not start a thread that blames everybody instead of just one of the guilty.

You seem to agree... you seem to think it's worse because "somebody" else is doing it.

But wake up and smell the coffee... it's bad no matter who is doing it. No worse because of influence or no influence... Still the same... Still all pond scum.

NO DIFFERENCE.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ming
Some Republicans are off the deep edge...
Some Democrats are even worse...

Again... your point...

In my first point I acknowledge his to be true and you are repeating what I have already said. That's my point.

[Ming]

Originally posted by GePap
And we have right wingers here too? So? Oerdin is relatively right in this forum..what would a forum by like which paints him as some unpatriotic person?

I guess the same when the libs here call the conservatives evil.

Let's see... evil... unpatriotic... both seem equally distasteful to me... or are you saying one is better than the other?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


The spread of this sort of talk form the far right is one of the leading factors in the breaking down of politics in this country. American democracy is built on the notion of compremise. Demonization of the "other" by definition means no compromise, for how can you compromise with evil?

Good points all GePap Although we'll have to remember when the Dems get in power and the Moores and Hollywood types of the world continue their left agendas that the Dems will be just as evil. As Ming suggests just because one side is now more effective at propgandizing doesn't mean they are more devisive/evil just simply more effective at sowing dissent.

I do however take issue with your characterization that the core left is "looking to a grander future" whilst the core right is "looking to preserve what it can today."

Too simplistic and IMHO tainted by your own political leanings. If anything, I would suggest both right and left are tasked with "building a grander future" it simply comes down to the best means to accomplish that and your definition of a brighter tomorrow.

[GePap]

Yes, there is a difference. Saying Darn and **** are both forms of expressing disleasure, but there is a difference between them.

You seem to agree... you seem to think it's worse because "somebody" else is doing it.

Wrong: I would complai just as much if the firng from the left had as much power in destroying the political culture of the US as the fring of the right. They don't have as much power to do it.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Too simplistic and IMHO tainted by your own political leanings. If anything, I would suggest both right and left are tasked with "building a grander future" it simply comes down to the best means to accomplish that and your definition of a brighter tomorrow.

I never hear old fashioned conservatives peak of building a grander future. I would say that in general, Conservatives have a dim view of the abilities of man, so that anyone who gets the view that they can "create" new institutions and fomrs out of thin air and make the world a better place thus will fail. Why perhaps they like the market so much: the market may lead to a better future, but by accident, by slow progress without direction, and hence, free of the corruption man may bring to the table with some grandiose project.

nowm every so often you get people like neo-cons, who still have their early liberals dreams of change by policy of man (most neo-cons begin as liebrals) but change their view of what the aimsn should be.