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  • #46
    Originally posted by Boddington's


    The cure is coming back?
    Hope someone decides to cure you one day.
    Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
    -Richard Dawkins

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    • #47
      I think the biggest problem with the gay community is that there not opening up and sharing the esoteric secrets of Tasteful Interior Decorating.

      Especially for hopeless, straight guys like me.
      "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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      • #48
        Point well taken Jac!
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Jac de Molay
          I think the biggest problem with the gay community is that there not opening up and sharing the esoteric secrets of Tasteful Interior Decorating.

          Especially for hopeless, straight guys like me.
          Lies.



          (My roommate was a PA on this!)
          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #50
            I think the gay community's biggest problem is that they are always dressed better, showing me and every other straight guy up when I'm having a night on the town...
            If you look around and think everyone else is an *******, you're the *******.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by mindseye
              I think the biggest problems are:

              * Number One Problem: obsession with "fitness". Back in San Francisco, a lot of gay guys looked like cartoon bulldogs, with enormous, unnaturally disproportional chests and upper arms, the rest of their body normal sized. I knew of guys who were spending six or more hours a day in the gym (not to mention popping steroids) in order to get that look. Guys with "normal builds" (hello!) gradually faded into the fringes. This (IMO) bizarre look also includes shaving/waxing one's body hair, sometimes even forearm hair. Pubic hair gets a "crewcut". Don't believe me? Watch any mainstream gay porn from the last 3-5 years. See any chest hair? Untrimmed pubes?

              I recall that during my last couple of years in SF, I had one date astonished that I hadn't cut off my pubic hair, another wouldn't date me unless I first told him my chest measurement, more than a few were aghast that I had no gym membership (in return I asked them if they had a library membership, of course they didn't).

              I completely understand where this obsession came from (reaction to AIDS, extreme faddishness in the gay community stemming from outcasts' desire to belong, etc), nonetheless I think it's very unhealthy, not to mention an enormous waste of time and resources.


              * Ageism - in San Francisco there is a club for "senior" gay citizens, it's called "G40+" as in, men over forty! In the 80s, older men were more stigmatized, called "trolls" and the like. It's getting better (now they are "polar bears" and "mature men"), but the obsession with youth is still an issue.

              * Drugs/Alcoholism - getting better, but still too much, still too glamorized.

              * Depersonalization of sex - let guys do whatever they want sexually, and some become compulsive sex addicts. For too many gay guys, sex is reduced to something like eating a candy bar. At its extremes, this devolves into highly risky activity such as "barebacking". For these guys, sex is a brief, physical thing, like shaking someone's hand. Foreplay? Romance? Eroticism? What are those? This may help explain why, in my experience, bisexual guys are usually better in bed than gay guys who have never been with a woman.
              Barebacking is something that needs to be frowned upon when it comes to casual sex.

              And Boris Godunov, yeah -- unfortunately in the information age about AIDS, there are people who shut their eyes to ignore reality.
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #52
                Oh yeah, amyl nitrite

                There always seems to be one weirdo elementary teacher offering me poppers at club events

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                • #53
                  Isn't the biggest problem having Boris as their Apolyton spokesman? I mean homosexuals have enough problems in America without being tarred as subversive communist traitors.

                  Not that we in the CPA want him to change - we luv ya man.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Agathon
                    Isn't the biggest problem having Boris as their Apolyton spokesman? I mean homosexuals have enough problems in America without being tarred as subversive communist traitors.

                    Not that we in the CPA want him to change - we luv ya man.
                    Got news for ya -- no gay guy on Apolyton is the group's spokesperson.

                    In fact, the words "gay community" might not make sense -- after all, we're an incredibly diverse minority group -- where would the cohesion be, other than our sexual orientation?
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by MrFun

                      Got news for ya -- no gay guy on Apolyton is the group's spokesperson.
                      Lies!!!!

                      You are just annoyed 'cause he's the man.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by mindseye
                        more than a few were aghast that I had no gym membership (in return I asked them if they had a library membership, of course they didn't
                        So its not just the hetero's that are shallow
                        We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                        If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                        Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Boris Godunov

                          But the biggest worry, IMO, is the increasingly lax attitudes towards safe sex by the younger generation of gays. For some reason, the current 18-22 set is ignoring the health risks and having unprotected sex, which is causing the AIDS transmission rates to creep back up again among gays. Stupidity.
                          Boris has hit the nail on the head, from my perspective as an STD researcher. I blame my collegues who have followed the lure of their 15 min of fame (with the promise of cures) rather than sticking with the hard facts of the matter.
                          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                          If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                          Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by SpencerH

                            rather than sticking with the hard facts of the matter.
                            An unfortunate choice of words DYT?
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • #59
                              Only to your perverted mind
                              We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                              If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                              Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by SpencerH
                                Only to your perverted mind
                                You understood it, so you're no better.
                                Only feebs vote.

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