Prevelant problems within gay society?

[MrFun]

First off -- homophobes or ignorant dunces need not apply to this thread with their usual red herrings, slippery slope arguments, hysteria, holier-than-thou moralizing, etc, etc.

Now, I have some questions for other gay and bisexual Apolytoners -- and if there are any heterosexuals who think they might have insight, share them.

There are some gays who claim that our culture is stuck in this perpetual adolescence attitude -- what exactly do they mean, anyway when they make this claim?

Plus, I have become more aware of the hatred that elderly gays suffer from other gays -- woud we ourselves like to grow old someday, if this bigotry remains within our minority group?

And I realize the drug use and alcoholism is partly due to the stress we face in living in a heterosexist, homophobic society, but I'm hoping that sooner or later, these victims find better, healthier ways to deal with whatever problems they have.

And this issue of monogamy versus open relationships -- to me, it seems to be a more prevelant issue among us homosexuals than heterosexuals. I guess one could partly blame the heterosexist society that discourages us from forming stable, productive relationships. But I have met, and do know gays who have monogamous relationships -- but they're in the minority of the minority. Maybe open relationships are not a problem anyway??

Again, if there are hetero Apolytoners who would like to express a decent opinion or ask a decent question, as somone looking from the outside, go ahead.
But since I'm asking for decency and respect, this excludes the homophobes from participating (you know who you are).

[Velociryx]

Personally I would think that....population growth would be among the largest problems in such a society. Biologically, the whole propogation-of-the-species thing is a bit....tough?

-=Vel=-
(and I don't say that with the least bit of disrespect, btw....it's just...the first thing that jumps out at me, looking in from the outside)

[Zylka]

Prevelant problems within gay society?

- Cocaine
- AIDS
- Versace











Talk about prevelant problems within STRAIGHT society, however... and it gets uglier!

[Winston]

Club thread.

[red_jon]

Zylka - it's Crystal Meth now, get with the times

[Asher]

Re: Prevelant problems within gay society?

Originally posted by MrFun
There are some gays who claim that our culture is stuck in this perpetual adolescence attitude -- what exactly do they mean, anyway when they make this claim?

"Rebel, rebel, rebel"
It doesn't apply so much these days, but in the 60s, 70s, and up to a certain point in the 80s (before AIDS) many gays "rebeled": sex sex sex, shunning marriage, etc.

I was reading an interesting article by an old gay man about how he's "ashamed" how most gays are now, how they're talking about marriage rather than sex parties...

[Asher]

Originally posted by red_jon
Zylka - it's Crystal Meth now, get with the times

"Do the crystal meth, lift you up until you break..."

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Personally I would think that....population growth would be among the largest problems in such a society. Biologically, the whole propogation-of-the-species thing is a bit....tough?

-=Vel=-
(and I don't say that with the least bit of disrespect, btw....it's just...the first thing that jumps out at me, looking in from the outside)

I didn't take any offense.

First, let's take a percentage of homosexuals among heterosexuals for an example: 5% of world population.
Now, I think that give and take one percent, homosexuals will fluctuate. But for the most part, wouldn't that percentage remain almost stable from one generation to the next?
I really don't think homosexuals will dramatically decrease, simply because there are enough of us born with each generation -- even if many of them remain closeted.

And on a personal level of deciding to become a parent, there are many gays and lesbians who seriously consider having a child of their own -- be that through adoption, surrogation, or other options available. And those children will grow up to be homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual.

[MrFun]

Re: Re: Prevelant problems within gay society?

Originally posted by Asher

"Rebel, rebel, rebel"
It doesn't apply so much these days, but in the 60s, 70s, and up to a certain point in the 80s (before AIDS) many gays "rebeled": sex sex sex, shunning marriage, etc.

I was reading an interesting article by an old gay man about how he's "ashamed" how most gays are now, how they're talking about marriage rather than sex parties...

Yeah -- we're such party poopers now.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I don't think it's a "perpetual adolescent" attitude so much as an "exclusively male" attitude. Among straight males in non-sexual situations, men will be boys...

Hell, I think we'd all like to be adolescent again, at times.

[Zylka]

Meth? OUCH

That's like going from platinum to silver... what's exactly is going on in the gay camp to bring such tragedy, guys???

[Jon Miller]

too unstable (will be helped with gay marriage) and the like

Jon Miller

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Personally I would think that....population growth would be among the largest problems in such a society. Biologically, the whole propogation-of-the-species thing is a bit....tough?

-=Vel=-
(and I don't say that with the least bit of disrespect, btw....it's just...the first thing that jumps out at me, looking in from the outside)

This will make it really easy to find out if homosexuality is inherited or not. If it dies out because of monogamy then it would be hereditary, if it continues, it is a choice or preference.

Or am I full of it?

ACK!

[Asher]

The problem is, gay people don't necessarily have gay parents.

It's mostly a luck of the draw thing, perhaps with genetic predisposition.

[Tuberski]

Glad you didn't think that was homophobic.

The biggest problem I thin gays have is acceptance by heteros. But, I think that a lot if that is fear of what a closet gay expects as opposed to the reality.

I come from a Mormon family, obviously very conservative, I had a cousin that came out, and he was shocked that his being gay was accepted, maybe not liked, but accepted.

ACK!