Why do conservatives say poor don't pay taxes?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You have to be poor to be made poorer. Poor is a relative term. There is no way that you can tax the rich and make them poor unless you taxed them so much that they had less money than those who used to be poor.

Oh, and you guys are the ones who think backward.

exactly, poor is a relative term. u can never make the poor not poor. if we didnt tax them and gave them all cars they'd still be poor! cuz poverty level is not absolute.

[Dis]

poor are poor because they are uncapable of being rich.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You have to be poor to be made poorer.

Um. Not really.

If somebody finds $2 on the ground, they say they're "$2 richer"...doesn't mean they're rich.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by yavoon


exactly, poor is a relative term. u can never make the poor not poor. if we didnt tax them and gave them all cars they'd still be poor! cuz poverty level is not absolute.

Well, you could level out income distribution. Then there would be no poor (or rich, or middle class for that manner).

[yavoon]

Originally posted by The Templar


Well, you could level out income distribution. Then there would be no poor (or rich, or middle class for that manner).

yes but thats extreme socialism. really really extreme even by today's standards. and then u run into another problem, why work hard? why not just get a job, ne job. I mean ****. the % of ppl willing to work hard w/o u paying them is very damn small.

[Sava]

Well, you could level out income distribution

sure, and we could all get government regulated rations... live in "efficient" government housing.... etc... no thanks... capitalism gave me my TV, my computer, my video games, my car, my house, etc...

what we need is equal opprotunity... not some authoritarian distribution of wealth.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Did LBJ's war on poverty decrease poverty?

Maybe not, but it did eliminate much suffering and death caused by poverty in this country. People recieved a means to survival when they had none previously. The resources devoted are not sufficient to reduce poverty. If anything they actually increased it, because more poor are able to survive.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by yavoon


yes but thats extreme socialism. really really extreme even by today's standards. and then u run into another problem, why work hard? why not just get a job, ne job. I mean ****. the % of ppl willing to work hard w/o u paying them is very damn small.

Give people jobs they like. Do something like participant planning. If you think only money motivates people you have far too narrow a conception of humanity. Only economists think that narrowly.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Dissident
poor are poor because they are uncapable of being rich.

There you go then. So why should we tax them? They aren't responsible for there status.

[Dis]

because everyone should contribute in society, that's why

[Sava]

and everyone should have a roof over their heads and a meal in their bellies...

[yavoon]

Originally posted by The Templar


Give people jobs they like. Do something like participant planning. If you think only money motivates people you have far too narrow a conception of humanity. Only economists think that narrowly.

I don't think only money motivates people. but if ur under some dellusion that u can stand toe to toe w/ a capitalist society. then ur mistaken. they will dominate u unless u simply shut off ur borders.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Sava
sure, and we could all get government regulated rations... live in "efficient" government housing.... etc... no thanks... capitalism gave me my TV, my computer, my video games, my car, my house, etc...

what we need is equal opprotunity... not some authoritarian distribution of wealth.

Actually, capitalism kept the TV off the market for decades. (RCA held back development and infrastructure until the inventor's patent ran out).

The point was, however, to stimulate yavoon's limited imagination.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Sava
what we need is equal opprotunity

Even if that were possible, and it's not, would you then tax the poor?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Even if that were possible, and it's not, would you then tax the poor?

not only is it not possible its unconstitutional. cuz in theory to allow it u would have to restrict how those who do have money spend it.

that being said u could close the gap so that spending extra money became inefficient.