How did the 'Lakota' become the 'Sioux'?

[Sava]

So those Sioux warriors weren't justified in killing settlers...

Sure they were. At a certain point, when defeat and annihilation becomes inevitable, the gloves come off and there are no holds barred. Imagine a band of white men coming to your neighborhood and killing all of your friends and family. Certainly you'd respond with the same ruthlessness.

funny, only a few minutes ago, after I said, "to be fair, they killed plenty of American settlers and soldiers...", you responded with, "I'd slaughter people if they stole my land." as if saying that they were justified...

The Palestinians are NOT (edit)facing extinction. A peaceful solution involves two states living next to each other. It's very different from America's genocide. Plus, one could argue Israel is simply taking back what was once theirs.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Threadjack over boys, and again, Sava, you don't know buffalo ****. There's about two million natives around the continental US, more than were likely here at the time Columbus showed up in the Caribbean.

Genocide and displacement of one tribal group by another was common - do you think the plains were empty when the Lakhota moved out there?

All of the original southern California natives were displaced (i.e. killed off) by western Shoshonean tribes some 500 years ago.

I could go on at length about native history and migration, but I don't really want to take the time to bury you in your ignorance of the subject.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Sava

The Palestinians are facing extinction. A peaceful solution involves two states living next to each other. It's very different from America's genocide. Plus, one could argue Israel is simply taking back what was once theirs.

There's still a healthy amount of Native Americans left in the USA. There was never a planned out "Final Solution". What kind of Crack are you smoking?

EDIT: Didn't see the post, sorry Boss.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Sava
Funny, I thought people thought Nazis were evil because they murdered millions of people...

That's my point Sava - the common perception of the Nazis as "evil" is justified because they are no longer murdering people.

However, the "common perception" (what people think) has got NOTHING to do with the reality on the ground... it's a more simplified form than getting everybody to contemplate the answer for the themselves.

Anyway, we can't change the past. Why not be optimistic and try for a better future instead?

EDIT: Point taken MtG. I will stop feeding... Very good answer, thanks.

[Al B. Sure!]

i'm getting even more confused...

Sure they were. At a certain point, when defeat and annihilation becomes inevitable, the gloves come off and there are no holds barred.

and yet...

The Palestinians are facing extinction

so the Palestinians are not supposed to take off the gloves?

[MichaeltheGreat]

A future free of threadjacks...

[Sava]

Sava, you don't know buffalo ****.

Bravo! Perhaps that's because America killed off all of the buffalo as well.

There's about two million natives around the continental US

Yeah, I've been to Native reservations, I've seen the utter poverty they live in.

Genocide and displacement of one tribal group by another was common -

So? Funny, can I murder someone and then use the defense, "But there are tens of thousands of other murders so it must be okay."? wake up and smell what you're shoveling mtg.

[Al B. Sure!]

my bad, MtG... i think you know what i was trying to do but fine... i won't mention palestinians again.

[Sava]

Sorry Speer, that should read "The Palestinians are NOT facing extinction."

[Al B. Sure!]

alright Sava... for a second there, i thought you were holding two contradictory views and claiming them both true (which, according to Orwell, fits your idealogy ) but alright.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jeez, this thread was just supposed to be about trying to find out what the deal was with a different name.

I'll try another (nicer) threadjack. If this doesn't work, I'll ask to close it .

MtG: What did you think of the Lakhota's portrayl in 'Dances with Wolves' and other modern films dealing with Natives? What would you change about their depiction?

[Sava]

fits your idealogy

I have an ideology?

[Sava]

Jeez, this thread was just supposed to be about trying to find out what the deal was with a different name

My explanation was quite relevant and practicle. We called them by a different name because they weren't alive to correct us.

[Imran Siddiqui]

My explanation was quite relevant and practicle. We called them by a different name because they weren't alive to correct us.

Total BS, after all we call Moskva 'Moscow', but the Russians are still aroun, but you can continue in your fallacy if it makes you feel any better.

[Sava]

but the Russians are still aroun,

hold on, I'm gonna open my open and ask "ARE THERE ANY RUSSIANS OUT THERE TO CORRECT MY PRONOUNCIATION!!??"

It's not BS Imran. Why do you argue with historical fact? It's not like I'm the only person in the world who knows America commited mass genocide. Most people just don't like to admit it.