The End of the Russian Arms industry

[Kramerman]

Re: The End of the Russian Arms industry

Originally posted by Lonestar
Or..."Oh Seerrrbbbb!"

I wonder if he'll see this?

[Cruddy]

Re: Re: The End of the Russian Arms industry

Originally posted by Kramerman




I wonder if he'll see this?

Quite likely he will moan you spelt it wrong.

[Zylka]

Tad unreleated, but something I honestly don't understand: On display at a military museum here in Calgary, Canada - is a T-55 tank. It's front and center in importance, with a Canadian flag standing on the left side, and a NATO flag on the right. Nevermind the Churchill, Sherman, or Stuart varieties which actually had something to do with our past hidden away out back

I knew the Canadian military was strapped for cash... but purchasing 50 year old soviet armor worth less than its weight in scrap metal is a little sad

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Azazel
Indeed, one article doesn't a point make. And Emperor Putin seems to like the defence industry so, no, I don't think they'll "end".


Eli.

Indeed.

The S-37 Berkut is excellent, the S-400 has no peers, and many Russian missiles are still top of their classes.

[Zylka]

Excellent isn't enough for top grade, and would not the Tomahawk embarass an S-400? Just checkin!

[Zylka]

OooooOOoooohh I do like the Berkut... very Macross

Is it Stealth?

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Zylka
OooooOOoooohh I do like the Berkut... very Macross

Is it Stealth?

I don't know. But seeing as the Russki's got that downed F117 from Kosovo, you can bet your left nut they have them in prototype by now.

[Zylka]

Have what - Berkut stealths or F117 rip offs

and what say you of the Mig 35? Or is that just a collection of random draftings

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Zylka
Excellent isn't enough for top grade, and would not the Tomahawk embarass an S-400? Just checkin!

S-37 is on par with US's F-22 if not better. Tomahawks are very slow moving missiles so that wouldn't be a problem for a S-400.

[Zylka]

On par with? Does it have stealth or not

[PLATO]

Perhaps a Franco-Russian arms consortium to counter balance the US-UK? Hmmm...

[JCG]

This particular type of plane doesn't need much stealth, really. The S-37 probably doesn't have any.

Does the F-22 need a huge amount of stealth?

It may have some of the materials/shapes necessary to reduce its size/signal on the radar, that sort of thing, but definitely doesn't have what the F-117 or B-2 have, IIRC.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Zylka
Have what - Berkut stealths or F117 rip offs

and what say you of the Mig 35? Or is that just a collection of random draftings

Well, stealth isn't just materials - shape is very important, but MOST relevant is avionics - for one thing you can't put a radar in a stealth plane, that defeats the object.

So yes, F117 equivalents would be my guess - as the Chinese have experimental versions I would be amazed if the Russki's didn't.

I have no comment to make on performance of aircraft as it well outside my area.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
S-37 is on par with US's F-22 if not better.

Are you the propoganda minister for the Russian Aerospace industry? The S-37 may have some advantages in a dogfight, and it might have some advantages in a ground attack role (the F-22 is designed as a pure air superiority fighter), but it is otherwise completely outclassed by the F-22. The S-37 has no stealth charactoristics whatsoever, while the F-22 has the most advanced stealth system in the world.

The F-22 has the supercruise ability, making it the only aircraft in the world able to go at mach speeds without using afterburners. This allows the F-22 to use up far less fuel, allowing it stay at mach speeds for a much greater duration, a very handy ability for intercepting and closing with enemy aircraft. The F-22's electronics and radar system also leave the SU-37 in the dust.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by JCG
This particular type of plane doesn't need much stealth, really. The S-37 probably doesn't have any.

Does the F-22 need a huge amount of stealth?

Stealth gives some huge advantages and is certainly relevant. If a fighter can't lock onto a stealth plane with its radar guided medium rangle missiles and the enemy can, the pilot of the non-stealth plane is in deep trouble. If an AWACS is in the area, the F-22 doesn't even need to utilize its own radar, it also has a passive radar system it can use without losing stealth charactoristics when necessary. Stealth also allows the F-22 to sneak past enemy fighter escorts and attack an enemy bombing group by surprise. Stealth also allows the F-22 to escort stealth bombers to their targets without betraying the bomber's positions to enemy radar.