The End of the Russian Arms industry

[Seeker]

"in turn paying higher prices but also having nowhere to turn in the case of Western arms embargoes."

Oh what a shame...

I'm no fan of the US conquering and vassalizing every third world nation, but when they do isn't it better when it's a cakewalk?

Can you imagine what Iraq would've been like if the US had faced a powerful air defence with modern fighters and trained pilots?

There would've been much higher casualties on both sides.

Lopsided war is good, it removes hope from the losing side that they can pull an ace so that more people live.

[Pekka]

Tass, good one

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Nope, the S-37 has got stealth. You just can't find a new prototype fighter without stealth anymore. ..

Since nobody knows what exactly are the systems like on both, making such a statement is totally meaningless.

Ok, what I saw on stealth for the S-37 was completely theoretical, and more significantly not deployed on the current model of the S-37. If you were ordering a bunch today, you wouldn't get any stealth charactoristics.

On point B, you can read about some of the current features here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-avionics.htm

"Included in the Communications/Navigation/Identification (CNI) system is an Inter/Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL) that allows all F-22s in a flight to share target and system data automatically and without radio calls. The Inter/Intra Flight Data Link is one of the powerful tools that make all F-22s more capable. One of the original objectives for the F-22 was to increase the percentage of fighter pilots who make 'kills'. With the IFDL, each pilot is free to operate more autonomously because, for example, the leader can tell at a glance what his wing man's fuel state is, his weapons remaining, and even the enemy aircraft has targeted. Targets can be automatically prioritized and set up in a shoot list with one button push. A 'shoot' cue in the head up display alerts the pilot to the selected weapon kill parameters and he fires the weapons. Both a pilot's and wing man's missile flight can be monitored on the cockpit displays. Classical tactics based on visual 'tally' (visual identification) and violent formation maneuvers that reduce the wing man to 'hanging on' may have to be rethought in light of such capabilities. This link also allows additional F-22 flights to be added to the net for multi-flight coordinated attack."

[Cruddy]

It will be interesting to see how the F-22 integrates with ground based SAMs then.

"Incoming target, no emissions. Do we fire?"

"Yeah, why not. It's either Brit or an F-22 and I hate both both kinds anyway".

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Well, first of all, most sources send out directional pulses. That's how you find out the direction of various targets. So that probably excludes AWACS and drones. Satellites are even worse because they move in and out of range all the time. Then movements of these objects make any precise calculations hellish.

Nah, you probably need a specially built fixed ground source.

Most satelites are in a geosychronus orbit... they are above the same point of the earth at all times. I dunno much more than that, but if you need a stationary source of radar, im sure that would work, wouldnt it?

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Seeker
"in turn paying higher prices but also having nowhere to turn in the case of Western arms embargoes."

Oh what a shame...

I'm no fan of the US conquering and vassalizing every third world nation, but when they do isn't it better when it's a cakewalk?

Can you imagine what Iraq would've been like if the US had faced a powerful air defence with modern fighters and trained pilots?

There would've been much higher casualties on both sides.

Lopsided war is good, it removes hope from the losing side that they can pull an ace so that more people live.

It would be nice if the russian defense industry collapsed, tho im not gonna hold my breath

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Kramerman


Most satelites are in a geosychronus orbit... they are above the same point of the earth at all times. I dunno much more than that, but if you need a stationary source of radar, im sure that would work, wouldnt it?

It takes minute amounts of adjustment to maintain a geosync orbit. It isn't possible to maintain one indefinitely - plus, of course, the radio waves coming down from above would have much less of being reflected into the receiver system from the target.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Kramerman

It would be nice if the russian defense industry collapsed, tho im not gonna hold my breath

Hey, where would poor countrie´s dictators then get their weapons from? Not everyone can afford fancy western stuff for a little war.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by BeBro


Hey, were would poor countrie´s dictators then get their weapons from? Not everyone can affort fancy western stuff for a little war.

exactly. they'd have to start their own arms industries... which would be practically 50 years behind... Any conflict with them the US would win with minimal casualties. And judging from bush's track record, war with any of 'em isnt fantasy. like what seeker said, if there is gonna be a war, at least make it quick so its as bloodless as possible.

It takes minute amounts of adjustment to maintain a geosync orbit. It isn't possible to maintain one indefinitely - plus, of course, the radio waves coming down from above would have much less of being reflected into the receiver system from the target.

ah, i see.

[Az]

Originally posted by BeBro
Hey, where would poor countrie´s dictators then get their weapons from?

Not everyone can afford fancy western stuff for a little war.

Well, it's not that dictators have problems raising cash to buy military stuff.



Heck, half of our African and South American Bussiness would be lost that way

[The Vagabond]

Good post, Carver

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Kramerman
It would be nice if the russian defense industry collapsed, tho im not gonna hold my breath

Of course, wouldn't it be nice to get rid of any competition whatsoever?

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


Of course, wouldn't it be nice to get rid of any competition whatsoever?

absolutely

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


Of course, wouldn't it be nice to get rid of any competition whatsoever?

You plan on emasculating the UK, French, Swedish, Swiss, Austrian, Brazilian industries too?

Not to mention IMI or the Germans, arguably the best at making small arms...

What's the matter? I thought competition was good for business?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Cruddy
What's the matter? I thought competition was good for business?

In general, it is good. But in particular, it may be deadly.