Apple launches the PowerMac G5

[Imran Siddiqui]

We all know Asher is never going to get past this pathetic stage in his life, but I still hold out hope for Agathon.

They are both gone . Anyone that posts for pages about this stuff is beyond being saved .

People that like Apple should get Apple Computers. People that like PCs should get PCs. I think that's pretty simple .

Unfortuntely you have this antagonism, which is sad, because I think the best thing is to get the two system compatible in some ways, so maybe Mac fans can play PC games, and maybe PC guys can use Apple programs.

One thing always puzzled me though. Why doesn't Apple try to package its OS for PCs? They could probably make some money. I know it may be initially costly, but it probably could work in the end. Get some fun competition going (even though I'll stick to XP myself) .

[Drake Tungsten]

People that like Apple should get Apple Computers. People that like PCs should get PCs. I think that's pretty simple.

That's my view on the matter as well.

Why doesn't Apple try to package its OS for PCs?

Microsoft would utterly destroy Apple if they ever tried such a thing. Apple is still around because MS wants them to be; Apple provides some token competition to make Microsoft's monopoly look a little less impregnable and provides valuable innovations for MS to copy. Apple knows where it stands with Microsoft and will never do anything as blatantly antagonistic towards Microsoft as bringing the Mac OS to PCs. 2% of the world market is better than nothing.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

...One thing always puzzled me though. Why doesn't Apple try to package its OS for PCs? They could probably make some money. I know it may be initially costly, but it probably could work in the end. Get some fun competition going (even though I'll stick to XP myself) .

What would be the point? Apple programs won't execute on a PC processor.

Even if they did, Apple would LOSE money because people would just pirate the OS then buy PC hardware - a lot of investment for ZERO return.

Apple may do daft things - but not THAT daft.

[Imran Siddiqui]

What would be the point? Apple programs won't execute on a PC processor.

Why can't they program them to work on PC processors?

Even if they did, Apple would LOSE money because people would just pirate the OS then buy PC hardware - a lot of investment for ZERO return.

If that were the case for all OS's, Microsoft would be bankrupt . Why can't people just pirate Windows and since MS doesn't really have any hardware, by your example, wouldn't they make nothing?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Amazing. You just can't see it, can you... so you resort to personal attacks when it's plain that people who like Macs will stick to them.

What's the matter Asher? You really don't get it that people don't have to go Wintel to have a successful, enjoyable computing experience?

That's not what this thread is about. I don't give a crap if people buy Macs, I give a crap when Apple is sleazy with its advertising. I personally don't like them, I don't care if others do.

Now when are you going to clue in that this thread is about:
1) Hardware capabilities
2) Marketing bull****
rather than Windows or MacOS is better?

The sooner, the better.

You put up a thread saying Apple are announcing a new machine - and then you go balls out to find every weakness in their argument.

Not even realising the weakness in your own - that P4's DON'T COMPETE WITH RUNNING MAC SOFTWARE!!!

Got it now? Or do I have to use a bigger point size?

Hey genius -- are you telling me SPEC and Photoshop don't run on P4s?

That's NOT MY ARGUMENT. Do I need to use a bigger point size? If you'd care to pay attention, I'm interested in the technical capabilities of the chip and Apple's incessant bull**** about them. I don't care what programs they run, as I'll never use one, but as a geek it is my duty to keep up with technology because I find it fascinating, and I find it disgusting that Apple markets it the way they do.

You're being so stupid here because you're constantly trying some other argument and wonder why I ignore your previous posts.

I will reiterate it as you apparently have difficulty reading:
I don't care what people buy, I don't care what software the G5 runs.

Comprende?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
OK - Did you actually read this? And did you know that Apple has responded to these accusations today?

But if you think this is such a good article then I point you toward the conclusion. You know, the conclusion, where he sums up his view.

I agree with his view completely (aside from the "we should wait for independent sources") -- in fact I've expressed similar views here. You apparently skipped the post, it's the same one where I discussed how Apple's "response" to the accusations digs themselves deeper. Not only did they insist their bull**** was true, they added more lies to the mix which anyone can verify with google.

The last sentence expresses roughly what Cloud9 and I have been saying for most of the thread (as far as I can remember).

So either you are going to admit that this guy has it right (because you are putting him forward as an authority on the subject) in which case Cloud9 and I win the argument; or you admit that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, in which case you are an idiot for putting him forward as an authority - and we win; or you didn't read it and you are being dishonest - and Cloud9 and I win the argument.

Again, you pull this "you agree with the whole thing or you disagree with the whole thing or you admit you lie!"

Does that actually work in the Philosophy departments? If so, that's fascinating...

I don't believe you need an "independent" source to go over it, although it would be nice, but for whatever reason Apple refuses to allow independent sources to get their hands on it. I'll leave it to your superb logic skills to figure out why.

Whichever way it goes you are screwed. You really have to be more careful about what you link to.

You have to actually think before posting. Really, Agathon. It's astounding.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Asher

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That's NOT MY ARGUMENT.

No. It's my argument. My argument being your argument is meaningless because it compares chalk and cheese.

I don't expect you'll be happy to have wasted so much time, but effectively that is what you have done.

See you in 3 months.

Asher----> Ignore
Agathon ----> Ignore

EDIT: Nah... not when I'm having so much fun!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Leave me out of that "We". Asher is OK but somewhat narrow-viewed. Give him a few years for the damp to dry behind his ears.

Let's face facts -- Apple, without a doubt, bull****ted and skewed their benchmarks.

Agathon and Drake are ignoring that fact, plugging their ears.

And you are on some absolutely irrelevant discussion and trying to "get me into a corner" over something I'm not even talking about.

The problem is not me and my "narrow-view", the problem is Apple's been publically busted in cheating, the Mac users are willfully remaining ignorant about it, and you don't have a clue what's going on in this thread.

My views are wide open -- I think BSD is the best server OS, I think Alpha is the best CPU dsign ever. I also think Windows is the best desktop OS (because, well, it is) and Intel makes the best desktop chips (because, well, they do).

You call me narrow-minded because I hold opinions on these things, and I don't change them because a clueless philosophy professor and some brain-fried druggie from England present rhetoric and red herrings. My opinions haven't changed because no one has presented any competent counter arguments.

And that's your problem, not mine.

[Drake Tungsten]

Agathon and Drake are ignoring that fact, plugging their ears.

Hey, don't drag me into this lame "debate." I stayed clear of this for a reason, namely pride.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
No. It's my argument. My argument being your argument is meaningless because it compares chalk and cheese.

Oh, so let me get this straight:
You made an argument completely irrelevant to the thread and wondered why I ignored it?

Then you think it's "irrelevant" to ***** about Apple's excessively fraudulent marketing techniques?

I don't think it's irrelevant, a lot of people buy computers based upon what they hear about it. People may blow $3000 on a Mac just because it's the "fastest personal computer" out there, when they could've got a faster machine for $1500.

See you in 3 months.

Asher----> Ignore
Agathon ----> Ignore

Thank God, any more idiocy from you would've been too much.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
One thing always puzzled me though. Why doesn't Apple try to package its OS for PCs? They could probably make some money. I know it may be initially costly, but it probably could work in the end. Get some fun competition going (even though I'll stick to XP myself) .

Apple doesn't package PC OSes because they demand complete control over the hardware and software.

Apple makes tons of money from their hardware, they rip people off so incredibly much. Making their OS for PCs allow people to get decent-priced computers, and not get them from Apple.

Apple is far worse than MS when it comes to domination, the thing is most people are too bright to get sucked into Apple's blackhole.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Hey, don't drag me into this lame "debate." I stayed clear of this for a reason, namely pride.

Do my eyes deceive me?
I keep re-reading the name next to this post and it says "Drake Tungsten"?

Is it an impostor??

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Asher


And you are on some absolutely irrelevant discussion and trying to "get me into a corner" over something I'm not even talking about.

The reason you are not talking about it and TOTALLY IGNORED IT until I prodded you is because it totally undermines your whole argument.

Originally posted by Asher
You call me narrow-minded because I hold opinions on these things, and I don't change them because a clueless philosophy professor and some brain-fried druggie from England present rhetoric and red herrings. My opinions haven't changed because no one has presented any competent counter arguments.

This totally sane ex-druggie has forgotten more theory than you'll ever know. I also NEVER wrote you were narrow minded - only that you view was "somewhat narrow". Maybe when you are ready to consider systems as a whole rather than assemblies as subcomponents you might be able to find these weaknesses yourself.

Try to adapt to the fact that some people have stood where you are know about the same time you were being potty trained.

Oh and before you diss me any more - don't you think it unprofessional that you are taking 4 months to do a job you could do in 1?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
he reason you are not talking about it and TOTALLY IGNORED IT until I prodded you is because it totally undermines your whole argument.

It certainly does no such thing -- my argument totally ignores the fact that people will buy what they want, because it's not relevant.

I'm a tech-geek and this is a tech-geek discussion. It's not an economics and personal choice discussion.

I take issue with Apple's marketing, not with people's choice to buy Macs.

Join the club, read the thread next time.

This totally sane ex-druggie has forgotten more theory than you'll ever know.

Try to adapt to the fact that some people have stood where you are know about the same time you were being potty trained.

Ah yes, the good old "I'm closer to death than you, ergo I know more".

Computers are an interesting exception, you know. Old people tend to know less.

Particularly when they wasted their braincells on drugs in their youth and can't even follow a debate properly.

Speaking of which, that ignore list thingy is pretty hard to operate, isn't it, Handy?

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Asher
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Speaking of which, that ignore list thingy is pretty hard to operate, isn't it, Handy?

Your dynamic refresh isn't working too well chap. View the edits.