Our "Liberal" Media

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Defiant

See Sava, this is the major league in politics and either you are one of the heavy hitters like Bush and rule the game or you are a bat boy in the farm league like yourself. The best thing you can do is stay our of their way, your life will be better off.

Or your a bat boy in the farm league, like yourself, who tries to shine by reflected glory. Bush may be your boy, but he wouldn't piss in your mouth if your stomach was on fire.

But I guess your attitude is appropriate, after all, Bush was appointed and not elected. I guess notions like democracy ought to get out of the way of heavy hitters right?

And why do conservatives talk in sports metaphors all the time?

[Berzerker]

Boris -

I'm amazed out how many conservatives are so complacent about being played like fiddles.

Many conservatives voted for him, did you really expect them all to behave any differently than the liberals who voted for "Slick" and gave him passes on his shenanigans?

chegitz - Your analysis ignores that the media is usually pro-war regardless of which party is in charge and takes quite a bit of time before turning excessively cynical. Btw, the NYT and LA Times have been going after Bush on the absence of WMD. Second, you seem to be saying that the media can't be liberal because it's willfully incompetent wrt to Bush. I'd say that's good evidence that the media is liberal. Government has grown leaps and bounds under Bush, what better definition of a liberal? The media is liberal and a century of pushing big government solutions to "our" problems shows that.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Boris -

The media is liberal and a century of pushing big government solutions to "our" problems shows that.

Right. Liberals like Hume, Cavuto, Hannity, and O'Reilly on Fox, Dobbs and Novack on CNN, Scarborough and Mathews on MSNBC, Rush on the radio, Kristol, Goldberg, and Buckley in print and online. Ann Coulter on every damn talk show.

Yeah, all those big gubbament liberals out to cheat the good decent Chrstian folks in the business world. Like the guys at Enron.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Templar


Well some of us who still think the media has a duty to perform a public service by keeping the citizenry informed

That's correct. That's why they never said that the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi or that WMD has been found thus far in Iraq. Now I'm somewhat confused why you chose to quote my post and not deal with it on any substantive level.

[Berzerker]

Well some of us who still think the media has a duty to perform a public service by keeping the citizenry informed

Hehe, when did you start thinking that? Look at the press 210 years ago when Adams and Jefferson were forming the first 2 parties.

Templar -

Right. Liberals like Hume, Cavuto, Hannity, and O'Reilly on Fox, Dobbs and Novack on CNN, Scarborough and Mathews on MSNBC, Rush on the radio, Kristol, Goldberg, and Buckley in print and online. Ann Coulter on every damn talk show.

Yeah, all those big gubbament liberals out to cheat the good decent Chrstian folks in the business world. Like the guys at Enron.

And even most of the "conservatives" you've cited support big government, they just don't agree with you all the time about which freedoms to remove. Citing a radio entertainer, book author, and an assortment of people from financial guys along with a few Republicans doesn't mean the media hasn't been liberal for decades. And Mathews? He worked for Tip O'Neill for god's sake.

Here's a simple test: how big was the federal government 200 years ago? How big was it 100 years ago? And now? See a trend? And has the media been fighting against this growth in government? On select issues, like preserving freedom of the press/speech. Whoopie!!! But when it comes to "solving problems", even local or state, the media is constantly on the side of federalising the problems. Government grew alot under Reagan, was the media criticising him for allowing the increase? Of course not, he was constantly criticised for not growing government enough. Slowing the increase in a program's budget became a budget cut, etc... If the media ain't liberal enough for a quasi-socialist, that doesn't mean it isn't liberal.

[Berzerker]

Just goes to show, the free market gives you FOX and CNN. The public sector gives you NPR and the BBC. Now who was defending free market media again?

Yeah, Pravda was such a reliable source.

[Berzerker]

Btw, Reagan campaigned on getting rid of the federal dept of education? Did the media go after him for not telling the truth when he didn't try to end it? No. When Reagan ran as a "pro-life" candidate, did the media attack him for nominating "pro-choicers" to the court? No. But they sure attacked him if a pro-life candidate was up for nomination.

[Drake Tungsten]

Pretty dumb thread, che. This information proves nothing about the quality of the media; it merely shows that many Americans don't pay attention to the news. Don't blame the media for the self imposed ignorance of much of the American population.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Berzerker


Yeah, Pravda was such a reliable source.

But, but, it's so entertaining http://english.pravda.ru. (Yes, I realize this is not the right smiley, but I've always wanted to use it.)

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
The "liberating Iraqis" line didn't emerge until we were just about ready to roll into the country. Don't let revisionism fool you.

It was brought up before the war. It was a secondary reason.

Revisionism would be if we didn't bring up the "Iraqi freedom" angle until after the war when the "WMD" angle failed.

[Jaguar]

Re: Our "Liberal" Media

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George Bush, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, as the Iraqis have continued to insist.

Artillery balloons? I seriously doubt the usefulness, and hence the existence of such a project.

[Kidlicious]

Americans are so ignorant. They don't even watch the news, otherwise they would have been informed.

[Victor Galis]

Re: Re: Our "Liberal" Media

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

Artillery balloons? I seriously doubt the usefulness, and hence the existence of such a project.

Artillery balloons = balloons that serve as spotters for artillery. Iraqi military technology hasn't quite advanced to the unmanned drone stage.

[Az]

or, it seems, to gunpowder age.

[Dis]

what a dumbass thread.

Do you think even the right wing Fox news goes around telling the U.S. that the hijackers were Iraqis?

You lefties need to think before you make threads.

Americans don't think these things because of news stations like Fox News.

They think this way because they are ignorant, and don't read the newspaper nor watch the news on tv or the internet.

But all the lefties can think to do is blame american ignorance on the right wingers. Americans were ignorant long before right wingers even existed.