Our "Liberal" Media

[DinoDoc]

Why is the media to blame for people assuming things they never reported?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why is the media to blame for people assuming things they never reported?

By implicity.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
By implicity.

Let me rephrase the question. How was the media implicitly saying that Iraqis were among the 9/11 hijackers and how have they implictly said that WMD have been found in Iraq when they have been reporting otherwise?

[MrFun]

Conservatives complain when liberals accuse the media of being biased towards conservatives.

And liberals complain when conservatives accuse the media of being biased towards liberals.

This just keeps going around in a senseless circle.

[Q Classic]

that's because it's a lot easier to see the bias going the other way when a) you're looking for it, b) they're not saying what you want to hear, and c) one doesn't go to many different news organizations.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Let me rephrase the question. How was the media implicitly saying that Iraqis were among the 9/11 hijackers and how have they implictly said that WMD have been found in Iraq when they have been reporting otherwise?

The US government and media was for a long time following the line that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had connections with Al Quada. Al Quada was responsible for the attacks and so implicitly was Iraq. Without correcting the public by giving as much airtime or print space to the fact that no such links have been proven and that no Iraqi's took part, is it really that surprising that people think that Iraqi's were on the plane?

Regards WMD, having many news organisations say that weapons will be found, then having possible WMD sites being made headline news you get the impression that the weapons exist. If you don't later correct by prominently saying that the suspected sites were not WMD sites then you will leave people with the impression that they were WMD.


Who and how many media organisations are guilty of this I don't know, I don't pay attention to the US media that much. I will say that whenever I watch FOX news it doesn't surprise me that people believe Iraq had WMD or that they were responsible in part for 9/11.

[Sava]

The other topic that the media doesn't discuss is how much aid the previous Bush and Reagan administrations gave to Saddam. As I pointed out in another thread, Bush I was giving Saddam aid up until the day before Saddam invaded Kuwait. Saddam's WMD capabilities are from the US. The helicopters used in the Kurd gassing attacks are from the US. I think if the public new the truth about Saddam, Americans might demand accountability for past and current foreign policy and intelligence mistakes.

[Defiant]

I have found no "actual evidence" we ever gave WMD or intelligence to producde WMD to Iraq and I defy anybody to find the evidence. But, I also believe we did give them the ability to create bio/chem to fight Iran, leveling the playing field if you will. I don't agree with it, but I am sure we saw Iraq the lesser of two evils at that time, but down the road we seem to always fight the weapons we sell. It is one thing to give the intelligence to produce the weapons, it is another thing for that country to use them as Iraq did against its own citizens.
If you want to hold the past US Presidents responsible for arming Iraq with WMD, then shouldn't we hold France, Russia, North Korea for selling intelligence that allows countries like Iran and Iraq to have and build weapons grade nuclear facilities???????
See Sava, this is the major league in politics and either you are one of the heavy hitters like Bush and rule the game or you are a bat boy in the farm league like yourself. The best thing you can do is stay our of their way, your life will be better off.

[Imran Siddiqui]

My point, is rather, about how the media has completely failed to inform the American public.

Obviously someone hasn't been reading . I believe the last 3 issues of Time Magazine have been hammering the administration on WMD.

The other topic that the media doesn't discuss is how much aid the previous Bush and Reagan administrations gave to Saddam.

Then why do so many people bring up the fact that the US supplied Saddam . Someone had to tell them, and I'm betting it was from the media.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Obviously someone hasn't been reading . I believe the last 3 issues of Time Magazine have been hammering the administration on WMD.

It's things like this that make me think che doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Imran Siddiqui]

THINK? Or 'know'?

[Q Classic]

If you want to hold the past US Presidents responsible for arming Iraq with WMD, then shouldn't we hold France, Russia, North Korea for selling intelligence that allows countries like Iran and Iraq to have and build weapons grade nuclear facilities???????

defiant, what about our other "allies"?

france's nuclear secrets came from the us.
north korea's came from pakistan, south korea, japan, and the us (although the latter three only taught them how to build non-weapons capable reactors).
afghanistan's mujahideen warriors were funded by america to fight those damned pesky soviets.
iran fell under the sway of islamic fundamentalists because we supported the shah, became increasingly autocratic and began turning the people against him.

See Sava, this is the major league in politics and either you are one of the heavy hitters like Bush and rule the game or you are a bat boy in the farm league like yourself. The best thing you can do is stay our of their way, your life will be better off.

why is he in the farm leagues? because he disagrees with your/bush's opinions?

[Imran Siddiqui]

afghanistan's mujahideen warriors were funded by america to fight those damned pesky soviets.

You realize the muhejadeen are the guys we are still backing? They were commonly refered to as the 'Northern Alliance' before the war in Afghanistan.

[Sava]

I have found no "actual evidence" we ever gave WMD or intelligence to producde WMD to Iraq and I defy anybody to find the evidence.

Here you go then Defiant... educate yourself so you can "play in the major leagues".

http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html

This is a website that has detailed the US and Iraq relationship in the 80's and 90's. They provide sources such as: Official US Documents, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Financial Times, The Associated Press, The New Yorker, and several independent authors.

If you want to hold the past US Presidents responsible for arming Iraq with WMD, then shouldn't we hold France, Russia, North Korea for selling intelligence that allows countries like Iran and Iraq to have and build weapons grade nuclear facilities???????

Let's clean up our own house first.

See Sava, this is the major league in politics and either you are one of the heavy hitters like Bush and rule the game or you are a bat boy in the farm league like yourself. The best thing you can do is stay our of their way, your life will be better off.

Sorry, your condescending threats won't convince me. This is America, although our Democracy has been hijacked, I still believe that our country will progress until true representative equality is achieved. Nobody will shut me up, and I will continue to attack the enemies of Democracy, Freedom, and Peace. This bridges all political lines. Conservatives were lied to as well. The smart ones are starting to see this. The media is starting to see this. And although they are strangely silent, they no longer give unwavering support to this president.

If you want to play more games and learn about history, Defiant, I'll create a thread about the history of the Bush family, and how they made their money from the Nazis.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why is the media to blame for people assuming things they never reported?

Well some of us who still think the media has a duty to perform a public service by keeping the citizenry informed (as opposed to merely make a profit) believe that the president LYING to start a war (in itself only to wag the dog away from the economy) is news. All we heard for months before the war was "WMDs", "imminent threat", "nuclear program", "uranium". Now where is that stuff? I guess it can go on a milk carton - like Osama and Saddam.

Just goes to show, the free market gives you FOX and CNN. The public sector gives you NPR and the BBC. Now who was defending free market media again?