How did the area of Europe advance so quickly?

[Lancer]

Human rights came later, true human rights came after the American revolution and George Washington. The French threw up a corrupt corsican tyrant emporor. The French declared the republican revolution and set up devices to remove heads.

The French blew it, the Americans lived it and the world followed our example.

Here is the KEY. In all I've said, listen to this one thing. It is the average Joe we have had going for us, and the Brits before us. The guy that through faith and the learning of generations refused to be diverted. The last few at the Valley Forge wouldn't have been there anywhere else. They HAD to stay. Without them Washington would have swung. Also God, who led the French to one of their only victories over the British navy in history. That in itself is a miracle if you know the history. These are the foundations of the freedom you enjoy, not Napoleon's generalship and conquests.

It's the men who overcome technical obsticles. The men who decend for those whose life was lived partly upon the sea. Such men don't walk away, theirs are the hands that built the machines and the supreme civilization in which we live.

[Bereta_Eder]

nah, the basics of today's human rights is clearly french thinkers' texts. america didnt have much influence in europe's thinking (still dont)

[Bereta_Eder]

although it was good the US followed them. as did europe eventually.

[Lancer]

I'm sorry that your anti American bias won't let you see the history pal.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW america is perceived as a rogue state and it wasnt popular even in ww2 since it started fighting communism using the same means as communism (repression, manipulation, etc)
this isnt living up to any ideals and i doubt it ever was.

noone looks at america and says: "hey look they lived up to anything"


im just saying it like it is perceived not necessairily as it is.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Lancer
I'm sorry that your anti American bias won't let you see the history pal.

i'm sorry that your nationalism doesnt let you see how things are too

[Lancer]

"im just saying it like it is perceived not necessairily as it is."

Remember, communism came from nothing to subjecting 3/5ths of the world's population in roughly 50 years. What stopped it? The United States, doing whatever it took. In hindsight prettyboys can say it wasn't pretty, but in fact pretty wasn't going to get the job done, and niether were the prettyboys either. Americans led the effort, and the line was drawn in the blood of free men the world over, who wouldn't be moved from it.

[Bereta_Eder]

see u talk about the freedom i enjoy. this freeddom has nothing to do with britain kickin' french ass in some naval exercise nor has it anything to do with washington.

it has to do with a genuine social necessity of that time that was transported to rebelion, the very fierce fighting of greeks the assistance of foreign powers due to their strategic interests and thats where the story ends.
after that its simply interests, borin old interests who sometines went against greece freedom sometimes in favor.

[Urban Ranger]

Competition is the foremost factor. It forced the countries to concentrate on accumulating knowledge in science and technology. Of course, all this would have to take place after the Renaissance, which laid the foundation of scientific endeavours.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Lancer
"im just saying it like it is perceived not necessairily as it is."

Remember, communism came from nothing to subjecting 3/5ths of the world's population in roughly 50 years. What stopped it? The United States, doing whatever it took. In hindsight prettyboys can say it wasn't pretty, but in fact pretty wasn't going to get the job done, and niether were the prettyboys either. Americans led the effort, and the line was drawn in the blood of free men the world over, who wouldn't be moved from it.

thats why i say communism was the same as capitalism to the respective countries which were satelites.

what a country decides, it will do. both communists and capitalists should have fook off. they didnt, they arent liked. simple.

[Bereta_Eder]

if the US was supposed to protect freedom then why did it help abolish it in some countries?

that bull. the US was only promoting its interests and protecting its interests. at least communism did damage primerily to its own country...

[Lancer]

paiktis, the reason why Greece isn't now under the boot of the politboro has almost nothing to do with Greece.

Pride blinds you to the glaringly obvious truth.

[Bereta_Eder]

unfortunately this is so.

but this was to be decided by the people of said country. not by communists or capitalists. since capitalists didnt mind fook up the country as long as the NATO bases remained in the west, then really fook them

[Bereta_Eder]

ok that was unfair, there was considerable aid

[Bereta_Eder]

and there was aid going to the communists too from yugoslavia.

but SPECIFIC incidents are damning for the US such as is the 1967 dictatorship. very very suspect period.