How did the area of Europe advance so quickly?

[Bereta_Eder]

Yes the industrial revolution was very imprtant I said so myself. But it was quickly passed on to other countries.

[Bereta_Eder]

Greek philosophers were forgotten at the middle ages by all apart from the Byzantines (who regarded them as peagans) and the Arabs. The revival of ancient writing in 18th and 19th century was done by the brits the french the italians hell even the russians and the germans caught up on it.

[Lancer]

Whatcha drinkin Paiktis? I have some Italian Chainti.

Good wine, it has a cork, not a twist top.

[Bereta_Eder]

I think a corner stone was french moral ethics the lay out of fundamental human rights.

brit contribution apart from the industrial revolution was mainly in the field of economy. not so much in philosophy/thinking/ breaking new ground.

and of course a turning point was also the october revolution. not in itself but the aftermath and what it injected to the social conscience.

[Bereta_Eder]

Lancer you're too caught up about britain (being american/canadian/assorted species) and it is my duty to open your eyes.

[Lancer]

Nary not so my leftist Greek friend. I'm not caught up about Britain. I don't feel much afinity to technical people actually. I seek the comfortable riot of a friendly poor homey untechnical culture.

Screw being a machine, though so many take such pride in it. I have the southern european take on work. Sothern euros work to live, northern euros live to work.

Something very wrong w/ the latter.

No, regarging history I'm impressed with artillery. Arty did more to form the history of nations than a thousand fluffy philosiphers spouting high sounding horsepoop.

[Bereta_Eder]

I seriously doubt it.

And why would you identify britain with artilerry is beyond me.

if one nation prevailed in warfare technology in europe that was germany. if you want to be proud about it....
and germany didnt change history that much.

[Lancer]

"if one nation prevailed in warfare technology in europe that was germany. if you want to be proud about it....
and germany didnt change history that much."

Germans would like you to believe this. They build a couple Bismarks and WooHoo. A super rail gun and watch out...

The stupid bastards marched into Russia without winter clothes.

[Ribannah]

The single most important factor is nature: the climate, the flora, the fauna, the seasons, the rich soil fed by many rivers. All of this changed much in their favour since the first human civilizations appeared elsewhere.

[Bereta_Eder]

germans would like me and others to forget it. actually it is the past.

one country managed to bring a whole world against her, cant do that without good technology.

if england and germany were alone face to face, the UK would be speaking german now loud and clear. so much for its technological "advantage".

the arms technology no matter how essential is not the main driving force of history.

[Lancer]

The Germans remind me of my brother. He has a fairly advanced math brain. Figure out all sorts of stuff. Yet he has no sense, and hasn't the sense to listen to someone who does. Thats how the Germans ended up at war with overwhelming power. Don't give this to them as an atribute. They had beaten continental powers remember. They were at war with only Great Britian. Exactly the circumstance you put forward. Yet they had no sense. They could put a missile on London, a jet in the air, but not a warm coat on the guys it all rode on, get it? Germans are really smart, but stupid as they come.

[Bereta_Eder]

the foundations for the nation were made because of the french revoluytion. the present code of respect for human rights also comes from france.

i think those two are important.


britain did miracles to the economic thinking, but it was a different school from the europeans. which is better is a matter of opinion.

buthuman rights and countries as we know them have become the most important aspect of europe today, even though the latter is fading away just as city-states faded away to kingoms and they faded away to nations and nations will fade away to supranational entities as is the EU.


Actually the EU is the first "country" of the next millenia!

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Lancer
The Germans remind me of my brother. He has a fairly advanced math brain. Figure out all sorts of stuff. Yet he has no sense, and hasn't the sense to listen to someone who does. Thats how the Germans ended up at way with overwhelming power. Don't give this to them as an atribute. They had beaten continental powers remember. They were at war with only Great Britian. Exactly the circumstance you put forward. Yet they had no sense. They could put a missile on London, a jet in the air, but not a warm coat on the guys it all rode on, get it? Germans are really smart, but stupid as they come.

well only really stupid people would come up with an arian nazi racist ideology anyway. i dont disagree with what you say, one can be a "genious" and real stupid at the same time. europe acted in cooperation against them, thus proving smarter.


as for italy, dont ask, 2 world wars, 2 times on the wrong side


but renescane was grand even though it got a starting kick from the fleeting byzantines from constantinople.

[Bereta_Eder]

oh and germans had "only" captured half of france the little states in western europe and the little states in the balkans. not russia for example. and even then they were leaving at yugoslavia and greece because of the "Terrorist" attacks against them

UK would have folded if not for US intervantion. russia would not.

[Bereta_Eder]

anyway this is just a parenthesis in the grand scheme of european things, even thoughits pretty recent.

but one step back two forward, look at france and germany now! best of friends. hell if they can do it, greece and turkey can do it too. and others as well. this is how the world goes forward.

and were it not for the disastrous ww2 EU would never havebeen formed.

even though i suspect such a war was inevitable anyway unless an EU was formed which could not unless such a war happened.

sometimes you just have to think if there isnt a social engineering experiment going on and that if you look closley to its ingedients and dynamics you could be able to tell the future.