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    from bbc

    Rebranding puts black marks against UK flag

    Britain's national flag - the union jack - has been given the makeover treatment, in the hope of reflecting a more modern society.

    It's become the marketing executive's remedy for any organisation's ills. From BT to BP, the Labour Party to the Lottery, hardly a business or institution has escaped the rebranding bug.

    Now moves are afoot to redesign that most sacred of British hallmarks - the union flag.

    A campaign is being launched to modernise the red, white and blue flag by adding a touch of black to reflect multicultural Britain in the 21st Century.

    The proposed new flag (see above) is the work of Nigel Turner, an enthusiastic fan of the UK's transformation into a multiracial society over the past 50 years.

    Mr Turner has contacted MPs about his new design and has already received the backing of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, who called it a "fantastic idea [for] celebrating diversity of the modern United Kingdom".

    Mr Turner, who has called his campaign Reflag, believes his plan would reclaim the union jack from its negative associations, and silence that old skinhead chant: "There ain't no black in the union jack."

    "If I flew the union jack from a flagpole in my garden, many people would see it as a racist statement," he says.

    "I'm a glass half-full, rather than half-empty sort of person. It's time we made a positive statement about the progression of a multicultural and multiracial society."

    400th anniversary

    The union flag was first seen in 1606 and the version that we know today was drawn up by the College of Arms in 1801 to represent the Act of Union.

    Mr Turner, 46, who is white, hopes to spark a debate on the flag. He would like to see a new design replace the current union jack for the flag's 400th anniversary in 2006.

    "The proposed design does not mean throwing out all that has gone before, and it is clearly recognisable as the flag of the UK without saying something new."

    But as makeovers go, even a designer as thick-skinned as Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen would think twice about treading into such perilous territory.

    The so-called "union black" has already raised the ire of the Scottish. Tuesday's Scotsman newspaper said Mr Turner had "missed the point".

    "The United Kingdom is not a firm which changes its corporate branding each time the management alters. The flag is an enduring symbol of unity which transcends politics and absorbs cultural change."

    MSP Phil Gallie told the Scottish Parliament: "The suggestion that our flag should be redesigned is ridiculous tokenism and would do nothing to stamp out racism."

    So what does Mr Turner need to do to make his flag official? The answer is not black and white, says flags expert Charles Ashburner.

    "There are no laws governing the union flag. Primarily, it's the monarch's flag, but it has come to represent the UK through common usage.

    "So to make it official, he just has to make people believe it's the official flag. It will never take the place of the union flag of course, but it could became a sort of quasi-official flag if enough people flew it."


    any thoughts? i think it's silly, honestly. the current union jack, iirc, refers not to any specific race but to the union of wales, scotland, england, and ireland...
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    yes, but not to that one.
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    yes, to the one proposed.
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    if there's no banana, what's the point?
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  • #2
    I don't know the UK flag/patriotism idea has been ruined by hooligan types but not sure what to do about it.
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    • #3
      Plain silliness.
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      • #4
        Anyway even if I did think changing the flag was a good idea the one they have come up with is terrible. The whole "just add some black, then it's not racist" concept is really bad.
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        • #5
          i agree. especially since nobody in america is suggesting we add yellow, black, or purple to the stars and strips in order represent our diversity.

          why would you?
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          • #6
            Some people just have too much spare time.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Q Cubed
              i agree. especially since nobody in america is suggesting we add yellow, black, or purple to the stars and strips in order represent our diversity.

              why would you?
              Well that's the other thing, not all minorities are black, and even then they aren't literally black.

              I think this just comes down to a response to that racist chant "no black in the union jack". Best thing to do would not be to change the flag but lock up the racists or something.
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              • #8
                Thats a silly idea. We have TOO MUCH REBRANDING

                God what it is with PR these days, besides, flags, national symbols, patriotism, its entirely redundent these days, you'd have thought that we'd be less closed minded by now, but ooohhh no!
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                • #9
                  I think we should rebrand the UK as "Consignia"
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                  • #10
                    I think we should rebrand it "United States of Europe, Administrative Sectors G, H and I".
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                    • #11
                      If that's all they're proposing to do to it, then I ask,

                      "Why bother?"
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
                        I think we should rebrand it "United States of Europe, Administrative Sectors G, H and I".
                        Can we rename it Union of Socialist States of Europe instead?
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                        • #13
                          Yeah! "People's Republic of Europe Western Reeducation Camp and Centre For Applied Work Ethics".
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                          • #14
                            European Nominal Government for the Leftist Alliance of National Dependencies
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                            • #15
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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