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Originally posted by Flandrien
I mean, what do they think they can achieve with this ?
They can try a war criminal and punish him justly, they should try Bush and the leaders of the counries that helped him.
Unfairly Banned at Civfanatics twice...
To protest the war I am using the UN Flag - Howard has said most Australians are for the war so clearly I am not an Aussie.
at least we dont have some-one in the gov who's mother and father worked for the gestapo , ....
Even if true, this shouldn't matter, no one should be penalised for what his parents did or didn't do.
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And btw; the latest here is that the Belgian gaverment will cave in. (however, I don't think the US goverment did it self a favour though. This very much looks like bullying and petty minded revenge to me and I'm sure many others)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus
Originally posted by alva
Oh, btw, while moving NATO to Poland, will you come and clean up your mafia here too?
Sorry. The Italians are your problem.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I don't see the US's problem with this. I mean, I don't think Franks commited war crimes at all. Let these Belgian waffle-heads present enough evidence to even warrant an indictment. I doubt they have anything substantial. I disagree with Bush and his dumbass policies, but I think the US Armed Forces are some of the best in terms of human rights. Sure, there are some people that ***** and moan about the US and it's imperialism, but perhaps they've forgotten about Nazi Germany and what war crimes are. Iraqi soldiers get better treatment in US captivity than they did under Saddam's rule, so don't give me this war crimes BS.
Depends, for street violence/illegal protitution(basically slave-trade)/drugs/robbings/car-and home jacking etc.. the East-european mafia in much worse.(Especially the Albanian one though)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus
Then I'd be complaining for the Russians to clean up thier mafia rather than the Americans.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
and people wonder why the Serbs were trying to protect themselves. The KLA, and other Albanian elements are supported by Al Qaeda and other Arab terrorist elements and have an extensive organized crime effort. I will never understand NATO and the motivations of their anti-Serb smear campaign. I'm sure someone will respond with genocide accusations, etc... Perhaps if they actually lived or visited the region, they'd know what they were talking about.
Go to another thread. No one cares about the genocidal Serbs here.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
nah, this thread is about Belgium and their silly little war-crimes claims... other cases of where NATO was wrong are completely relevant. Perhaps we should also discuss the state of Mississippi and their history of government sponsored racism.
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
How about if I charge you with vague and unspecified crimes in a Mexican court, and you come here at your own expense to prove your innocence?
War crimes are a bit more specific than "vague and unspecified," and what happened in Iraq was rather clear to the rest of the world.
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Oh, and why isn't this particular brilliant advocate of international law bringing charges against Kim Jong Il, the perpetrators of the Tiananmen square massacre, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hisbullah, Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family, and a slew of others?
Oh, you mean people like Ronald Reagan, a number of CIA directors (probably including Bush Sr.), anybody who were involved in *cough* "arresting" *cough* Manuel Noriega, etc?
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How about if I charge you with vague and unspecified crimes in a Mexican court, and you come here at your own expense to prove your innocence?
Think of the boost in your reputation when you prove your innocence!
Oh, and why isn't this particular brilliant advocate of international law bringing charges against Kim Jong Il, the perpetrators of the Tiananmen square massacre, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hisbullah, Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family, and a slew of others?
Oh, he's only interested in posturing against US policy? An excellent reason to submit to such nonsense.
Excellent point Mtg, why is only the USA that everybody is looking at, look at the world full of really bad guys, warlords in Africa who kill millions, have they ever been brought to justice. See what I mean, the whole idea is a joke.
-How the hell do you mean vague? LOL
-Everybody is so ignorant... At this moment there are about 50 cases similar to this one if I recall correctly... including a variety of African murderers for example..
One case has been finished already, I think it was 4 Rwandian war criminals that were found guilty.. I also read in the paper a while ago that a second case was soon to be finished.. I haven't followed it that much though.
Yeah right, that's really the reason.
The real reason is because of money and location.
New Europe is closer to the Middle East and a hell of alot cheaper to setup shop.
Plus they behave properly unlike you crybaby Old Europeans.
-Yes they behave properly like little children always do whatever daddy syas..
daddy says support my righteous and just invasion of Iraq and the little children will be impressed and say yes we support you!
Anyway eastern europe being cheaper.. it's possible, but the infrastructure won't be quite what you guys were used to in Belgium
oh and by the way , we are not mass murderers , at least we dont have some-one in the gov who's mother and father worked for the gestapo , ....
go to the town of mechelen , .....
Panag, finally, can you actually come with any valid arguments instead of this pile of crap? I LIVE IN MECHELEN and I sure as hell don't know anybody in the government (living in Mechelen ) that has any ties to gestapo scum... Jezus I really wonder in what kind of ultra-right israeli paper you read that absolute bollox.
belgium still has no thruth commision after 55 years , ....
what the hell... I mean.... give me a break..
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Originally posted by August Borms
Moving the NATO HQ from Belgium = good
Then, we'll only need to get rid of the American nukes at Kleine Brogel, the European parliament in Brussels and the Antwerp Jews (=ultra-orthodox) and we'll be safe from terrorism!
About belgians with parents in gestapo, at least they don't have PMs who have committed war-crimes... I'm not talking about not-entirely-clear things like Lebanon. I'm talking about simple things like execution of prisoners, civilian killings in villages... I had a very interesting conversation once with a person who served under Sharon in the 50's...
In any case, I think that the Belgian law is silly... Not immoral or bad or anything, just silly
Laws depend on the ability to enforce them. They have no other legitimacy whatsoever. I rest my case
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-How the hell do you mean vague? LOL
-Everybody is so ignorant... At this moment there are about 50 cases similar to this one if I recall correctly... including a variety of African murderers for example..
One case has been finished already, I think it was 4 Rwandian war criminals that were found guilty.. I also read in the paper a while ago that a second case was soon to be finished.. I haven't followed it that much though.
-Yes they behave properly like little children always do whatever daddy syas..
daddy says support my righteous and just invasion of Iraq and the little children will be impressed and say yes we support you!
Anyway eastern europe being cheaper.. it's possible, but the infrastructure won't be quite what you guys were used to in Belgium
Panag, finally, can you actually come with any valid arguments instead of this pile of crap? I LIVE IN MECHELEN and I sure as hell don't know anybody in the government (living in Mechelen ) that has any ties to gestapo scum... Jezus I really wonder in what kind of ultra-right israeli paper you read that absolute bollox.
what the hell... I mean.... give me a break..
hi ,
if you live in mechelen , no problem , i should be there in two weeks , you can come and see the original gestapo files we have obtained since 26 days , .....
misschien zoudt ge better uwen burgervader eens onder de loep nemen , .... zijn ouders kuisten zogezegdt bij de gestapo op de melaan , die ken de toch hé , .....
wij hebben nu al de origineele documenten , en de namen van sommige die daar opstaan , ..... ja watte , ...
of waarom denkt ge dat ze juist dat klein verlaten boerengat hebben uitgekozen in 1940 , zowel voor de deportatie als voor breendonk , .....
and btw , if you or any one else is passing true that small town and wants to see the original files from wwII , just send a pm or e-mail , ....
I will never understand NATO and the motivations of their anti-Serb smear campaign. I'm sure someone will respond with genocide accusations, etc... 
Perhaps if they actually lived or visited the region, they'd know what they were talking about.
and the little children will be impressed and say yes we support you!
give me a break..
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