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  • #46
    Originally posted by Spiffor
    I have a question to those interested in the case :

    As you know it, the trial has been started by individual citizens using a Belgian extraterritorial law. The Belgian court isn't responsible for the cases brought before it.

    Question is : did the Belgian court rule out the case for being irrelevant, did it accept the case, or did it say nothing at all for now ?
    The Federal prosecutor recommended the federal govt to send it to the US, which it duly did. What the whining is about is beyond me.
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    • #47
      It's just the shear oddness of the law that amuses me.
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      • #48
        dont get too amused moneypenney

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        • #49
          France was rescuing civilians, that's hardly an obligation of allies. France would have done the same for say, Swiss citizens I am sure.

          As for France is our ally or not- it depend. If the French government continue's Chirac's policies of trying to undermine US power in the effort to set up a "multipolar" world, well in a legal sense they'd still be our ally, but in a real sense they would hardly be our friends and instead would be opening the door for a hostile relationship.
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          • #50
            NATO HQ? Relocate it to Warsaw. One can't possibly think of a better place.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
              France was rescuing civilians, that's hardly an obligation of allies. France would have done the same for say, Swiss citizens I am sure.
              It doesn't mean u don't have to thank them for that

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              • #52
                But would the US do it for France! Aha that's the question!

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                • #53
                  Everyone with an agenda has used that belgian law to push political cases, from the anti-Sharon to the anti-castro crowd. It hasn't come to much but preliminary proceedings, or has it?

                  As for Iraq, this may be different. Under the standard established at Nuremberg and Tokyo, Bush, Blair and their key underlings would hang. Well maybe that standard wasn't too brilliant...
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by elijah
                    Also, the US would hire its best and brightest to win, so it wont be a fair trial, but in the other direction. Besides, theyre creating more suspicion by staying away.
                    Lawyers?

                    Ouch, that one hurt...
                    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by paiktis22
                      But would the US do it for France! Aha that's the question!
                      Of course they would. Your acting like this isn't routine during crisis situations. Every time there is a war or natural disaster the country with the closest military force gets tasked to assist foreign civilians. It's a good policy.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        It's just the shear oddness of the law that amuses me.
                        The law is not that odd.

                        Our anti-terrorism laws permit prosecutions in the US for acts of terrorism committed in another jurisdiction.

                        The Alien Tort Claims Act allows non-citizens to sue non-citizens for acts that occur outside the US in a US court.

                        So what you're saying is that the US gets to claim jurisdiction over the world, but nobody else does?

                        I would also point out that Franks would likely be responsible under a respondeat superior theory (within certain bounds) for any atrocity committed by a US troop. So the troops gunning down protestors after being allegedly shot at? Given that people in their homes beyond the protest were injured by US bullets - yes, a war crime was committed during the occupation. If Franks failed to issue regs prohibiting that sort of behavior and failed to take substantial steps to insure compliance then under a US-style system, Franks would be a war criminal. (Belgium is not a common law nation to my knowledge, so I don't know if the above prosecutorial theory would work there).
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                          As for Iraq, this may be different. Under the standard established at Nuremberg and Tokyo, Bush, Blair and their key underlings would hang.
                          For what? Is war a war crime now, or are you just not telling us something?
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by The Templar
                            Our anti-terrorism laws permit prosecutions in the US for acts of terrorism committed in another jurisdiction.
                            I don't know enough about the specifics of this law to comment on it.

                            The Alien Tort Claims Act allows non-citizens to sue non-citizens for acts that occur outside the US in a US court.
                            Yes, that's another stupid law in the exact same vein as Belgium's.
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                            • #59
                              If moving the headquarters out of belgium is like any other NATO act, it won;t hapen unless bagium accepts it.
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                              • #60
                                HA! We aren't afraid of any countries we can't locate on a map!

                                That pretty much excludes everyone.








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